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If governments want to set up online age gates, they should be responsible for providing an electronic ID system and enable privacy preserving age verification
by cbdumas 4mo ago
If governments want to set up online age gates, they should be responsible for providing an electronic ID system and enable privacy preserving age verification (zero knowledge proofs)
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4mo agoImplementation detail. Fine companies that allow minors access and they'll find a way to verify age by themselves. For liquor for example I don't think the govt actually specifies that you shall check ID they specify that you shall not sell to minors.
- foltik 4mo ago> they'll find a way to verify age by themselves. Yeah, by outsourcing it to some shady company that sells all your private info to the lowest bidder. See Discord for example.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4mo agoDon't use the site then? Or sites can compete on which age verifies in the least shitty way? I think we have been stuck in this way of life so long we can't imagine an alternative.
- foltik 4mo agoClassic. So tell me how I can just not deal with the credit bureaus? Or tax filing companies? Or any site that sells my data to adtech, without totally secluding myself from the modern web? Where’s the supposed competition? What you’re saying is functionally equivalent to “just deal with it,” since ultimately people will choose to have their privacy violated over the lifelong Sisyphean task of trying to avoid all of that. That doesn’t mean people don’t care about privacy, it’s just the current equilibrium in our broken system. > I think we have been stuck in this way of life so long we can't imagine an alternative. I agree.
- pbgcp2026 4mo ago> the credit bureaus? >> Do NOT buy on credit. Close your CCs. Use Debit cards, Wise/Revolut or BC wallet. > Or tax filing companies? >> Do self assessment? Go and see actual CPA personally?
- Aurornis 4mo agoZero knowledge proofs don't accomplish the ID checking that the governments want. The reason all of these improvised ID check systems require you to do things like submit a video of you moving your face around (which has its own problems) is because they want to get closer to proving that the ID you submit is actually the ID of the person holding the phone, not just some ID (or zero knowledge proof) you copied from the internet.
- maxldn 3mo agoBut the party verifying that the person matches the id doesn’t need to know what the claim is for
- segmondy 4mo agoWho is "government" Is it not the people? The people don't want this crap. It's a few zealots with their motives that are pushing this down society.
- sifex 4mo agoYour (the people’s) preferences are largely irrelevant here. https://willbrownsberger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Gilens-Page-graphs.pdf https://willbrownsberger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Gile...
- inigyou 4mo agoMost people want social media banned for under 16s. Some people realized they can use this as an excuse to ram through id checks
- solumunus 4mo agoI want it. As someone who’s trying to keep their kids off screens and social media it’s easier to win the battle when it’s illegal. If I have to provide ID I’ll probably stop using it to and that’s good. Shit is garbage. Hopefully this becomes a global thing and we might get classic internet back, when it was actually good, before social media…
- sunaookami 4mo agoYou do know that you will need to provide your ID for every single website in the future?
- Citizen_Lame 3mo agoNo, no, that's not how it works. They will do remaster of old internet. LOL. People are really dumb.
- 7734128 3mo agoThe kids will just use illegal plattforms instead, which will not even try to stay above board or protect children.
- johnisgood 3mo agoThat is what I have been saying: we need ZKP! I highly doubt they will implement it though.
- thrance 3mo agoIt's coming to European Union citizens. Any day now.