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I think AI could (and by some students probably already is) be used to help a student better understand the material, and faster than you could before. I still

I think AI could (and by some students probably already is) be used to help a student better understand the material, and faster than you could before. I still recall some parts of Physics taking a while to click, and often having to reread different sections of a textbook to try and understand the what and why behind something. The biggest issue is a child has to want to do that, since they also could just ask the AI for the answer and then go back to playing video games. End of the day past age 13 or so I just don't see legislation making any difference, they'll find a way past any law blocking them from using AI. Like a lot of education it'll probably come down to parenting.

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
> I think AI could (and by some students probably already is) be used to help a student better understand the material, and faster than you could before I think so too. But we haven’t demonstrated we’ve found how, in kids or in adults. > biggest issue is We genuinely don’t know what the biggest issue is. We just know it doesn’t work. There is zero quality evidence for AI helping with learning or cognition in kids or adults. (Happy to be proven wrong. This is a fast-moving and big field.) > they'll find a way past any law blocking them from using AI. Like a lot of education it'll probably come down to parenting And community. Rich towns restrict devices in school, monitor use at home and thus will have less of an issue with AI exposure.
- ApolloFortyNine 4mo ago
  >I think so too. But we haven’t demonstrated we’ve found how, in kids or in adults. Ask chatgpt or claude, on their highest model (probably unnecessary but I'm sensing a vibe) to explain a simple linear algebra problem, and if you don't understand it, ask about what part you don't understand. And if you truly believe it made something up, prove it. This is seriously the easiest thing to prove out there, you can see for yourself in the next 5 minutes.
  - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
    Sure. I already know linear algebra. If it’s a new branch of mathematics, this is a terrible way to learn. Again, the research points almost exclusively in one direction when it comes to learning and cognition around AI. You’ll solve more problems more quickly but wind up learning and thinking less.
    - ApolloFortyNine 4mo ago
      Honestly, what do you think a teacher does that an llm can't? If you want to learn you absolutely can ask an llm how to _solve_ x and explain the steps and why. My leaving out the word solve seems to have led some of you astray, I apologize. Again the problem is you have the option to solve your problem and move on without understanding it. That does not mean you can not use the tool to understand the problem and how to _solve_ it. I live in fear that instead of learning how to use the tool, some might just vote to ban the tool.
      - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
        > what do you think a teacher does that an llm can't? I don’t know! It’s an interesting question. All we know is it does. > That does not mean you can not use the tool to understand the problem and how to _solve_ it It doesn’t. But we have no evidence it can. We have lots of evidence of people thinking they’ve learned something, taking a benchmarking test, and being found wholly deficient compared to folks who worked through a textbook, went to a class or even solved problems off YouTube videos or instructional websites.
      - wieiw 4mo ago
        lol people like this guy prove AI psychosis is legit. If you can’t figure out what the value add of a human teacher is then.. fkin lmao. It’s well beyond simply transmission of information. The best teachers have passion - that passion is infectious. I was lucky enough to experience that and it grew my curiosity. LLM’s provide no such equivalent.
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cyberax 4mo ago
A crucial part of learning is struggling with understanding and overcoming problems by yourself. AI removes that part.

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago

> I think AI could (and by some students probably already is) be used to help a student better understand the material, and faster than you could before I think so too. But we haven’t demonstrated we’ve found how, in kids or in adults. > biggest issue is We genuinely don’t know what the biggest issue is. We just know it doesn’t work. There is zero quality evidence for AI helping with learning or cognition in kids or adults. (Happy to be proven wrong. This is a fast-moving and big field.) > they'll find a way past any law blocking them from using AI. Like a lot of education it'll probably come down to parenting And community. Rich towns restrict devices in school, monitor use at home and thus will have less of an issue with AI exposure.

ApolloFortyNine 4mo ago
>I think so too. But we haven’t demonstrated we’ve found how, in kids or in adults. Ask chatgpt or claude, on their highest model (probably unnecessary but I'm sensing a vibe) to explain a simple linear algebra problem, and if you don't understand it, ask about what part you don't understand. And if you truly believe it made something up, prove it. This is seriously the easiest thing to prove out there, you can see for yourself in the next 5 minutes.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  Sure. I already know linear algebra. If it’s a new branch of mathematics, this is a terrible way to learn. Again, the research points almost exclusively in one direction when it comes to learning and cognition around AI. You’ll solve more problems more quickly but wind up learning and thinking less.
  - ApolloFortyNine 4mo ago
    Honestly, what do you think a teacher does that an llm can't? If you want to learn you absolutely can ask an llm how to _solve_ x and explain the steps and why. My leaving out the word solve seems to have led some of you astray, I apologize. Again the problem is you have the option to solve your problem and move on without understanding it. That does not mean you can not use the tool to understand the problem and how to _solve_ it. I live in fear that instead of learning how to use the tool, some might just vote to ban the tool.
    - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
      > what do you think a teacher does that an llm can't? I don’t know! It’s an interesting question. All we know is it does. > That does not mean you can not use the tool to understand the problem and how to _solve_ it It doesn’t. But we have no evidence it can. We have lots of evidence of people thinking they’ve learned something, taking a benchmarking test, and being found wholly deficient compared to folks who worked through a textbook, went to a class or even solved problems off YouTube videos or instructional websites.
    - wieiw 4mo ago
      lol people like this guy prove AI psychosis is legit. If you can’t figure out what the value add of a human teacher is then.. fkin lmao. It’s well beyond simply transmission of information. The best teachers have passion - that passion is infectious. I was lucky enough to experience that and it grew my curiosity. LLM’s provide no such equivalent.
      - 4mo ago

cyberax 4mo ago

A crucial part of learning is struggling with understanding and overcoming problems by yourself. AI removes that part.