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Im confused, are there tasks given to 6 to 13 year old to use AI? In the classroom, are they just throwing gpt in front of them? Is that the modern equivalent

by bko 4mo ago

Im confused, are there tasks given to 6 to 13 year old to use AI? In the classroom, are they just throwing gpt in front of them? Is that the modern equivalent of watching a vhs? Or do they have homework to vibe code something or given some prompts to ask at home and save somewhere? Serious question, what does this mean?

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vorticalbox 4mo ago
Well one can no longer search for information in the big search engines without it just giving you the answer. This ruins “search and topic and write about it”
- setopt 4mo ago
  I guess Norwegian schools will have to use smaller / alternative search engines now?
  - pesus 4mo ago
    Or books.
    - estetlinus 4mo ago
      Yes, please.
  - throwaway2037 4mo ago
    Or they can disable "AI" from the search results to only get "traditional" search results.
sisve 4mo ago
There where no clear rules on the matter. Now the PM has given some guidance to schools so they know when they should use it and not. If there are no guidance teachers and schools can do what they want and some teachers would probably go to far to early
ransom1538 4mo ago
Teacher uses AI, creates lesson plan -> AI creates assignments -> Teacher gives assignments to students -> Students use AI to do assignment -> Teacher grades with AI -> Principal uses AI to monitor teachers progress. This is happening at schools nationwide. It is unstoppable at this point. It's a bizarre charade.
- bko 4mo ago
  This isn't about teachers using Ai to make their life easier, otherwise it wouldn't only apply to elementary school, and from what I read it applies to students. Students likely aren't allowed to use AI anyway for assignments. Or are they? That's the question, what is actually being banned if anything
  - ransom1538 4mo ago
    "Students likely aren't allowed to use AI anyway for assignments" This can be reduced to "Do students have access to a phone". Good luck after 12 years of age with that. That is a tough war.
- avaer 4mo ago
  It speaks to the nonsensical structure of the education system, that it functions just fine having optimized out the education. Nobody seems to care enough to do anything about it.
- throw101010 4mo ago
  You forgot the parasite companies that sit between the teachers/student/principal which pretend they detect the big bad AI assisted/generated work to punish individuals using AI (with a majority of false positives and always late by 1 generation of models). The charade wouldn't be complete without rent seeking intermediaries.
- AlienRobot 4mo ago
  AI starts charging money -> Everybody stops using it.
bendriv 4mo ago
I have three children in that age span in a Norwegian school. For the ages 10-13, ChatGPT and the like has frequently been used in the classroom to help with the cold start problem when doing writing assignments, and for getting feedback on written work before handing in to the teachers. Also frequently used as a brainstorming tool or for writing whole speaches or presentations that should be held in front of the class or school. As for doing homework, the school-provided and school-managed iPad has (had I should say) www.chatgpt.com whitelisted, so using these tools also for homework is at least not blocked, and sometimes encouraged. My children has at least not yet received any tasks or homework using AI for coding. They teach less coding in school now compared to when I was at the same age, at least at my elementary school.
- throwaway2037 4mo ago
  Thank you for the first hand feedback. I am assuming that you did similar assignments at the same age. Yet, you did not have the same tools. When I think back on my own LLM-free educational experiences, brainstorming was a hard mental skill to master. Some might argue it is one of the hardest as it requires some imagination, then critical thinking skills to filter the ideas. Can you comment about this? To be clear, I am trolling/baiting with my question.
  - bendriv 4mo ago
    Baiting accepted :-) Well not all types of assignments are alike, I was not required to write nor hold a speech at school, as my eldest was at 13. I would be absolutely terrified to present in front of more than half my class, and they now speak to their whole school. But on the other hand, learning how to brainstorm effectively both alone and in groups is such a rewarding skill to have. And since brainstorming is something taught from elementary school all the way up to university level (I had it as part of a master’s degree), I would assume this means some pedagogs think it is both important and difficult. If you have learned about ‘anchoring’ in negotiations or brainstorming contexts, you would know how important the initial ideas or suggestions or proposals are for the rest of the process and the outcome. So I believe that it is very negative to be outsourcing the initial stage of using your own creativity. There have been studies showing negative effects on performance, learning and memory when outsourcing the initial stage or getting help from AI in this stage, while the opposite is true when using AI for review later. Do not remember the exact source, was something that popped into my feed. So I think you are correct. Secondly, I started learning programming in elementary school at the age of 10 in the late 90s, we had a couple of hours in the computer lab a week doing creative open-ended projects. Today the local school teaches how to use an iPad with OneNote and Kahoot in 1st-4th, and performing predefined recipies for MicroBit or BlueBot in 5th-6th grade. Not sure how that is an improvement. So in conclusion, I support the policy to restrict the use of tech in school. The tools should support the higher goals, and sometimes doing hard work is actually required.
insane_dreamer 4mo ago
likely preemptive
JimsonYang 4mo ago
A kid gets homework to do a writing assignment online. Kid goes on chatgpt. "Chatgpt do this work, heres the assignment' ctrl c + ctrl v Chatgpt spits out a good answer. Kid spent no time doing homework and learned nothing Or imagine a reading log(typing out what you read) to encourage a kid to read, you have AI that can copy and paste your homework for you
- scotty79 4mo ago
  Maybe homework should be handwritten again? OCRs got good.

by bko 4mo ago

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vorticalbox 4mo ago

Well one can no longer search for information in the big search engines without it just giving you the answer. This ruins “search and topic and write about it”

setopt 4mo ago
I guess Norwegian schools will have to use smaller / alternative search engines now?
- pesus 4mo ago
  Or books.
  - estetlinus 4mo ago
    Yes, please.
- throwaway2037 4mo ago
  Or they can disable "AI" from the search results to only get "traditional" search results.

sisve 4mo ago

There where no clear rules on the matter. Now the PM has given some guidance to schools so they know when they should use it and not. If there are no guidance teachers and schools can do what they want and some teachers would probably go to far to early

ransom1538 4mo ago

Teacher uses AI, creates lesson plan -> AI creates assignments -> Teacher gives assignments to students -> Students use AI to do assignment -> Teacher grades with AI -> Principal uses AI to monitor teachers progress. This is happening at schools nationwide. It is unstoppable at this point. It's a bizarre charade.

bko 4mo ago
This isn't about teachers using Ai to make their life easier, otherwise it wouldn't only apply to elementary school, and from what I read it applies to students. Students likely aren't allowed to use AI anyway for assignments. Or are they? That's the question, what is actually being banned if anything
- ransom1538 4mo ago
  "Students likely aren't allowed to use AI anyway for assignments" This can be reduced to "Do students have access to a phone". Good luck after 12 years of age with that. That is a tough war.
avaer 4mo ago
It speaks to the nonsensical structure of the education system, that it functions just fine having optimized out the education. Nobody seems to care enough to do anything about it.
throw101010 4mo ago
You forgot the parasite companies that sit between the teachers/student/principal which pretend they detect the big bad AI assisted/generated work to punish individuals using AI (with a majority of false positives and always late by 1 generation of models). The charade wouldn't be complete without rent seeking intermediaries.
AlienRobot 4mo ago
AI starts charging money -> Everybody stops using it.

bendriv 4mo ago

I have three children in that age span in a Norwegian school. For the ages 10-13, ChatGPT and the like has frequently been used in the classroom to help with the cold start problem when doing writing assignments, and for getting feedback on written work before handing in to the teachers. Also frequently used as a brainstorming tool or for writing whole speaches or presentations that should be held in front of the class or school. As for doing homework, the school-provided and school-managed iPad has (had I should say) www.chatgpt.com whitelisted, so using these tools also for homework is at least not blocked, and sometimes encouraged. My children has at least not yet received any tasks or homework using AI for coding. They teach less coding in school now compared to when I was at the same age, at least at my elementary school.

throwaway2037 4mo ago
Thank you for the first hand feedback. I am assuming that you did similar assignments at the same age. Yet, you did not have the same tools. When I think back on my own LLM-free educational experiences, brainstorming was a hard mental skill to master. Some might argue it is one of the hardest as it requires some imagination, then critical thinking skills to filter the ideas. Can you comment about this? To be clear, I am trolling/baiting with my question.
- bendriv 4mo ago
  Baiting accepted :-) Well not all types of assignments are alike, I was not required to write nor hold a speech at school, as my eldest was at 13. I would be absolutely terrified to present in front of more than half my class, and they now speak to their whole school. But on the other hand, learning how to brainstorm effectively both alone and in groups is such a rewarding skill to have. And since brainstorming is something taught from elementary school all the way up to university level (I had it as part of a master’s degree), I would assume this means some pedagogs think it is both important and difficult. If you have learned about ‘anchoring’ in negotiations or brainstorming contexts, you would know how important the initial ideas or suggestions or proposals are for the rest of the process and the outcome. So I believe that it is very negative to be outsourcing the initial stage of using your own creativity. There have been studies showing negative effects on performance, learning and memory when outsourcing the initial stage or getting help from AI in this stage, while the opposite is true when using AI for review later. Do not remember the exact source, was something that popped into my feed. So I think you are correct. Secondly, I started learning programming in elementary school at the age of 10 in the late 90s, we had a couple of hours in the computer lab a week doing creative open-ended projects. Today the local school teaches how to use an iPad with OneNote and Kahoot in 1st-4th, and performing predefined recipies for MicroBit or BlueBot in 5th-6th grade. Not sure how that is an improvement. So in conclusion, I support the policy to restrict the use of tech in school. The tools should support the higher goals, and sometimes doing hard work is actually required.

insane_dreamer 4mo ago

likely preemptive

JimsonYang 4mo ago

A kid gets homework to do a writing assignment online. Kid goes on chatgpt. "Chatgpt do this work, heres the assignment' ctrl c + ctrl v Chatgpt spits out a good answer. Kid spent no time doing homework and learned nothing Or imagine a reading log(typing out what you read) to encourage a kid to read, you have AI that can copy and paste your homework for you

scotty79 4mo ago
Maybe homework should be handwritten again? OCRs got good.