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You're simplifying to the point of nonsense. Freedom you say? How about the freedom to have a say in government of the place you're living in? That seems a pret
by cousin_it 4mo ago
You're simplifying to the point of nonsense. Freedom you say? How about the freedom to have a say in government of the place you're living in? That seems a pretty fundamental freedom. When the rich folks of a town vote for planning restrictions and the vote goes through, that's an expression of freedom.
Sure, we both don't like it. We both agree it has bad consequences. But what I'm trying to say is that there's a real want backed by serious money. One way or another, it will create a market (maybe a shadow market). Rich folks will always want "no poors in the neighborhood" and will keep trying to find ways to spend money to ensure it. They'll never give up.
That's why I'm trying to think of solutions that don't require arm-wrestling one market vs another. For example, if we somehow created jobs elsewhere so that poor people wouldn't have to fight rich people for city air, then maybe that could work too.
- bluGill 4mo agoI place strong restrictions on what I allow my governments to control. You get a say in your local government, but that government only has limited things it is allowed to control/do.
- amanaplanacanal 4mo agoAllowing local government to restrict what can be built and where has been a double edged sword. Yes it's good that you can't build noisy, smelly, or potentially polluting activities near where people live. But we have gone far beyond that, in ways that harm our communities, require people to own a car to get through daily life, and leave people sleeping in the street. Some places are taking baby steps in the right direction, but there is still a long way to go.
- eszed 4mo ago> if we somehow created jobs elsewhere so that poor people wouldn't have to fight rich people for city air Or, maybe... a VAT-funded UBI?
- lelanthran 4mo agoWhy VAT? It's a regressive tax that hurts poor people more than rich people.
- TeMPOraL 4mo agoNot in this case, it doesn't - at least per the other articles in this series.
- xg15 4mo agoWell, how about the freedom to invade a country you don't like? Or how about that country's freedom to invade your country? One person's freedom always ends at the point where another person's begins. That's not exactly a new observation.
- xg15 4mo ago> Rich folks will always want "no poors in the neighborhood" and will keep trying to find ways to spend money to ensure it. They'll never give up. That's a very fatalistic take, essentially saying that rich people will always win. The entire point of a strong government is to provide a counterforce to that. > For example, if we somehow created jobs elsewhere so that poor people wouldn't have to fight rich people for city air, then maybe that could work too. Aha, and what kind of jobs would that be? How would the quality of infrastructure be in those areas?