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IMO people just use the term to mean “pro-Israel” rather than in any reference to the original meaning ("supporter of the idea of a Jewish state"). Which could
by wk_end 4mo ago
IMO people just use the term to mean “pro-Israel” rather than in any reference to the original meaning ("supporter of the idea of a Jewish state"). Which could mean any combination of “pro-American financial support for Israel”, “moral support for Israel in their various military actions”, “opposed to the creation of a Palestinian state”, “a belief that Israel should continue to exist as a Jewish state”, and so on. It's more about the broad political alignment than the specific meaning of the word.
- UltraSane 4mo agoThank you for actually answering my question. That is very vague and explains why I find the word so annoying.
- tovej 4mo agoZionist does have a specific meaning. It means you think the Jewish people have a god-given right to the Palestinian land, and that other creeds and ethnicities should be second class within the Jewish state in Palestine. A non-zionist Israel would be one where all peoples had the same right, e.g.
- UltraSane 4mo ago"It means you think the Jewish people have a god-given right to the Palestinian land" It was never actually Palastinian land. It was Jewish land, then Roman land, then Ottoman land, then British land, then Jewish land after Palastinians attacked Israel and lost. At no point were the Palastinians ever a sovereign country and in fact they incredibly foolishly rejected the UN offer for one. "other creeds and ethnicities should be second class " Approximately 2.5 to 2.6 million non-Jews live in Israel, comprising about 25% to 26% of the country's total population. This is compared to less than 1% of the population of Gaza being non-muslim.
- tovej 4mo agoOk, well, you seem to be a Zionist. And not very educated on the matter (or willfully misrepresenting things). The Palestinians are the people who lived there. The Zionists expelled half of them and razed 500 villages to the ground in 1948. It was an ethnic cleansing. They denied them the right to return. There was a Palestinian identity and there was a Palestinian society. They revolted against the Ottomans, and the British promised them sovereignty. The British betrayed them and caved to the Zionists, and the rest is settler colonialism and apartheid.
- FireBeyond 4mo ago> And not very educated on the matter (or willfully misrepresenting things). Right, like stomping around the comments claiming that anything less than pretending Israel didn't set foot in Gaza between 2025 and October 7, 2023 is filthy Hamas propaganda, the existence of at least six formally named IDF operations being just a pesky bit of reality that can be easily run over by a Merkava Mk V main battle tank.
- UltraSane 4mo agoWhat do you think that proves? It only proves how pointlessly violent Hamas is.
- FireBeyond 4mo agoMaybe it will stop you from yelling at people that they are liars when they say anything about Israel being in Gaza? Or, who am I kidding, of course it won't.
- UltraSane 4mo agoIDF actions in response to Hamas attacks are not the same as permanent occupation of Gaza. Israel left Gaza in 2005 and Hamas has been in power ever since and has gleefully killed any Palestinians opposing them.
- throw37832 4mo agoThere are more Muslims living happily in Israel than Jews in all Muslim countries combined. More specifically there are 0 Jews living in areas under control of the Palestinian Authority, or in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, and Yemen.
- tmule 4mo agoIllogical collectivist blather suggesting that therefore, Muslims should be treated as a collective, and deprived of rights in Israel? Also, what’s with the “happily”?
- UltraSane 4mo agoNo, it just points out how hypocritical Muslims are being.
- tmule 4mo agoHypocrisy is an individual quality, not a collective quality, Zio!
- UltraSane 4mo ago"Zio" Thank you for providing a perfect example of how the word zionist has become a replacement for kike among jew-haters.
- tmule 4mo agoCommon term for about 75% of democrats under 50, who must be Jew-haters, of course. Sorry, ethnonationalism just isn’t a popular ideology, and the word is, in practice, just a shorthand for an instance of that. You’ve lapped up hasbarist propaganda to such an extent that it’s started to be reality.
- UltraSane 4mo ago