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Does that apply to quotes from an article? They seemed to be criticizing a second or third degree source for being PR, which feels fair.

dang 4mo ago
Yes, in the sense that if there's nothing interesting to say about a quote then there's no reason to copy it into the thread.
- nrds 4mo ago
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  - dang 4mo ago
    It's not a question of painful - I'm happy to "admit" what's true, as best I can, and not what's not true. Let's see if we can sort that out a bit in the present case. HN is certainly curated - I've been "admitting" that since the day I got outed as a mod here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7494621 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7494621 (March 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7507229 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7507229 (April 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7962942 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7962942 (June 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8569117 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8569117 (Nov 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15556105 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15556105 (Oct 2017) But we try hard to do the curation by principle, not by personal whim. What principles? Really there's just one: intellectual curiosity—we try to feature what enhances that and dampen what degrades it [1]. From that starting point, though, you can derive lots of other principles. Probably the most important is that snark and indignation are bad for HN (especially in combination!) because they drown out curious conversation. That's all that you need to see why I posted that reply to the GP; no personal preference required. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
    - rat9988 4mo ago
      The current case still seems very heavy on personal preference. Principles application is subjective as we are all human. I found the comment as interesting as the quote it is answering.
      - dang 4mo ago
        It does seem more of a borderline case to me when I reread it, too.
    - jdkfmtlym 4mo ago
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    - nrds 4mo ago
      > snark and indignation These are preference-based but you're pretending they're objective. I find _your_ comments to be full of snark and indignation more than any you respond to, but of course you won't agree. (But because you don't agree, that makes me objectively wrong, I know.) "Tonal arguments are ways of, frankly, policing working class ways of communication, and covering them in elite preferences." - someone smarter than the average HN commenter.
      - tadfisher 4mo ago
        Such a good quote, defending probably the last person on this Earth anyone would call "working class", including himself.
      - linschn 4mo ago
        Bourdieu ?
      - ViktorRay 4mo ago
        I’ve never seen any of the moderators here be snarky or indignant to anyone. Do you have any specific examples of where dang or another moderator posted in that way?
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- jdkfmtlym 4mo ago
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dang 4mo ago

Yes, in the sense that if there's nothing interesting to say about a quote then there's no reason to copy it into the thread.

nrds 4mo ago
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- dang 4mo ago
  It's not a question of painful - I'm happy to "admit" what's true, as best I can, and not what's not true. Let's see if we can sort that out a bit in the present case. HN is certainly curated - I've been "admitting" that since the day I got outed as a mod here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7494621 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7494621 (March 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7507229 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7507229 (April 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7962942 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7962942 (June 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8569117 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8569117 (Nov 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15556105 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15556105 (Oct 2017) But we try hard to do the curation by principle, not by personal whim. What principles? Really there's just one: intellectual curiosity—we try to feature what enhances that and dampen what degrades it [1]. From that starting point, though, you can derive lots of other principles. Probably the most important is that snark and indignation are bad for HN (especially in combination!) because they drown out curious conversation. That's all that you need to see why I posted that reply to the GP; no personal preference required. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
  - rat9988 4mo ago
    The current case still seems very heavy on personal preference. Principles application is subjective as we are all human. I found the comment as interesting as the quote it is answering.
    - dang 4mo ago
      It does seem more of a borderline case to me when I reread it, too.
  - jdkfmtlym 4mo ago
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  - nrds 4mo ago
    > snark and indignation These are preference-based but you're pretending they're objective. I find _your_ comments to be full of snark and indignation more than any you respond to, but of course you won't agree. (But because you don't agree, that makes me objectively wrong, I know.) "Tonal arguments are ways of, frankly, policing working class ways of communication, and covering them in elite preferences." - someone smarter than the average HN commenter.
    - tadfisher 4mo ago
      Such a good quote, defending probably the last person on this Earth anyone would call "working class", including himself.
    - linschn 4mo ago
      Bourdieu ?
    - ViktorRay 4mo ago
      I’ve never seen any of the moderators here be snarky or indignant to anyone. Do you have any specific examples of where dang or another moderator posted in that way?
- blahblahfugg 4mo ago
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jdkfmtlym 4mo ago
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