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I moved here from The Netherlands in 2004, and have now lived in Florida, California, and Mississippi and stayed for prolonged periods in many US cities for my

by netule 4mo ago

I moved here from The Netherlands in 2004, and have now lived in Florida, California, and Mississippi and stayed for prolonged periods in many US cities for my job. I wouldn’t feel safe riding a bicycle anywhere here considering the speed of traffic, the size of the vehicles, and lack of dedicated biking infrastructure. It’s a completely different world when you share the road with angry F150 drivers blasting past you at 80 MPH. No, thank you.

joe_mamba 4mo ago
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- netule 4mo ago
  And? What's the gotcha you're implying?
  - vel0city 4mo ago
    That you clearly value other things the US offers over the transit situation. If the transit matters that much, making the US such an unlivable hellscape, why stay? I think that's probably the point they're trying to make. IMO that doesn't mean we shouldn't bother to make the transit better, but some people think its somehow related. A lot of people think the "success" of the US is strongly correlated to this suburbia design somehow.
    - netule 4mo ago
      Right, I assumed the same argument. I've spent over half my life here, so it's obviously not that important to me, nor was it a factor in my decision to move here. Yet it's an observation I can make, having two distinct perspectives to compare, not a judgment on America. Ugh. It's the whole "yet you participate in society" meme, or the "well, if you don't like it, why not go home?" argument, which could well both be logical fallacies I don't know the names of. Anyway, more public transit for the people and all that.
- CalRobert 4mo ago
  I’m from the US and moved to the Netherlands but there are still some things I prefer about the US (bug screens on windows for instance)
  - joe_mamba 4mo ago
    >bug screens on windows for instance You can retrofit those on the cheap even in rentals. Hardly something major.
    - CalRobert 4mo ago
      Yeah and we have them but it’s annoying when you’re choosing between roasting or getting absolutely eaten alive by bugs in an Airbnb in Killarney.
lokar 4mo ago
And drivers who themselves would never ride a bike. They see you as a nuisance.
- shifto 4mo ago
  We Dutch just hate both. If I'm on bike I hate all car drivers. If I'm in car I hate all bicycle drivers.
  - julianlam 4mo ago
    That is a cute sentiment, because I imagine it pales in comparison to the loathing these groups feel towards each other in North America.
  - whatevaa 4mo ago
    I think that is a general vibe. Mixing very different types of transportation on same road will always cause trouble.

by netule 4mo ago

joe_mamba 4mo ago

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netule 4mo ago
And? What's the gotcha you're implying?
- vel0city 4mo ago
  That you clearly value other things the US offers over the transit situation. If the transit matters that much, making the US such an unlivable hellscape, why stay? I think that's probably the point they're trying to make. IMO that doesn't mean we shouldn't bother to make the transit better, but some people think its somehow related. A lot of people think the "success" of the US is strongly correlated to this suburbia design somehow.
  - netule 4mo ago
    Right, I assumed the same argument. I've spent over half my life here, so it's obviously not that important to me, nor was it a factor in my decision to move here. Yet it's an observation I can make, having two distinct perspectives to compare, not a judgment on America. Ugh. It's the whole "yet you participate in society" meme, or the "well, if you don't like it, why not go home?" argument, which could well both be logical fallacies I don't know the names of. Anyway, more public transit for the people and all that.
CalRobert 4mo ago
I’m from the US and moved to the Netherlands but there are still some things I prefer about the US (bug screens on windows for instance)
- joe_mamba 4mo ago
  >bug screens on windows for instance You can retrofit those on the cheap even in rentals. Hardly something major.
  - CalRobert 4mo ago
    Yeah and we have them but it’s annoying when you’re choosing between roasting or getting absolutely eaten alive by bugs in an Airbnb in Killarney.

lokar 4mo ago

And drivers who themselves would never ride a bike. They see you as a nuisance.

shifto 4mo ago
We Dutch just hate both. If I'm on bike I hate all car drivers. If I'm in car I hate all bicycle drivers.
- julianlam 4mo ago
  That is a cute sentiment, because I imagine it pales in comparison to the loathing these groups feel towards each other in North America.
- whatevaa 4mo ago
  I think that is a general vibe. Mixing very different types of transportation on same road will always cause trouble.