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For sure. I currently live in the US (fairly rural) and I would kill to have my transportation-related costs reduced to about $150/mo. But where I live, I simpl
by netule 4mo ago
For sure. I currently live in the US (fairly rural) and I would kill to have my transportation-related costs reduced to about $150/mo. But where I live, I simply need to have a car to do any basic thing since the moment I step off my driveway, there aren’t even footpaths.
- usrnm 4mo agoI live in the Netherlands and have absolutely no need for this ticket. When I need to go somewhere, I just walk or bike there, never takes more than 20 minutes. I cannot even imagine living in American suburbia
- netule 4mo agoI moved here from The Netherlands in 2004, and have now lived in Florida, California, and Mississippi and stayed for prolonged periods in many US cities for my job. I wouldn’t feel safe riding a bicycle anywhere here considering the speed of traffic, the size of the vehicles, and lack of dedicated biking infrastructure. It’s a completely different world when you share the road with angry F150 drivers blasting past you at 80 MPH. No, thank you.
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- netule 4mo agoAnd? What's the gotcha you're implying?
- vel0city 4mo agoThat you clearly value other things the US offers over the transit situation. If the transit matters that much, making the US such an unlivable hellscape, why stay? I think that's probably the point they're trying to make. IMO that doesn't mean we shouldn't bother to make the transit better, but some people think its somehow related. A lot of people think the "success" of the US is strongly correlated to this suburbia design somehow.
- netule 4mo agoRight, I assumed the same argument. I've spent over half my life here, so it's obviously not that important to me, nor was it a factor in my decision to move here. Yet it's an observation I can make, having two distinct perspectives to compare, not a judgment on America. Ugh. It's the whole "yet you participate in society" meme, or the "well, if you don't like it, why not go home?" argument, which could well both be logical fallacies I don't know the names of. Anyway, more public transit for the people and all that.
- CalRobert 4mo agoI’m from the US and moved to the Netherlands but there are still some things I prefer about the US (bug screens on windows for instance)
- lokar 4mo agoAnd drivers who themselves would never ride a bike. They see you as a nuisance.
- shifto 4mo agoWe Dutch just hate both. If I'm on bike I hate all car drivers. If I'm in car I hate all bicycle drivers.
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- rootusrootus 4mo agoI live in American suburbia and that's how I live. I can walk or bike whenever I feel like it, drive if it suits me. I sometimes wonder what the average European assumes American suburbia to be. Endless tract homes? Such places do exist, true. But that is far from universal.
- kaladin-jasnah 4mo agoI'd be curious what metropolitan area you live in for this to be true! If you're not comfortable sharing for privacy reasons, that's all right. But it seems like this is the case in inner-ring suburbs in the Northeast megalopolis.
- teaearlgraycold 4mo agoI grew up in the Philly suburbs. They’re mostly pre WW2 in layout, so relatively walkable and bikeable.
- kaladin-jasnah 4mo agoYeah, I've been. They were pretty much what I was referring to in the comment.
- MagnumOpus 4mo agoOf course you can walk. But can you walk to your workplace, your kid’s nursery, your local bakery/supermarket, your doctor, your dentist, the pharmacy?
- JamesTRexx 4mo agoI already have the NS Flex free weekend subscription (with 1st class addition) and it's the only way for me to travel longer distances. It's also just about the only available public transport in the neighbourhood because I live in a polder. Nearest train station is a 35 minute walk, nearest supermarkets are almost an hour walk. One advantage, before Covid and I had groceries delivered, mandatory walking back and forth three times a week to the village did wonders for losing weight.
- sandworm101 4mo agoI work with a guy from holland. There, he lived in a condo. Here, he owns 40-acers, a couple horses and is trying to grow his own corn. He can play out his rural lifestyle dreams and still work a desk in a city, something that isnt an option without personal transportation. (I would say "car", but he rides an R1 to work most days.)
- brnt 4mo agoThat means you never leave your town of residence. I am Dutch too, and I walk and cycle (of course), but I have friend and family elsewhere too, want to visit other nature, cities and countries as well. I mostly use a car since it's so much cheaper and faster than public transport, but I bought this ticket in order to do some longer distance journeys as well. I don't really like driving.
- pfannkuchen 4mo ago> I would kill to have my transportation-related costs reduced to about $150/mo Lots of people have had their transportation-related costs reduced to $0 by killing! Just be sure to get caught or it won’t work.
- JSR_FDED 4mo agoOh man that’s dark