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I think the 'models have no moat' thing is overblown. Only like 3-4 companies in the entire world have cutting edge models, that means there is some kind of moa

I think the 'models have no moat' thing is overblown. Only like 3-4 companies in the entire world have cutting edge models, that means there is some kind of moat...

seydor 4mo ago
money. but it eventually runs out
- rvnx 4mo ago
  A little IPO is the solution. Don't we all want to (automatically) and passively invest in a company losing billions of dollars ? At least we can diversify our portfolio from SpaceX.
  - tcp_handshaker 4mo ago
    Pre-Quote: "We are all going to lose, hundreds of billions"
- TiredOfLife 4mo ago
  Grok and Meta. Both have money and compute, both have shit models. Also Google. Has money, models not so good.
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rvnx 4mo ago
Money. That's their moat. Maybe also stolen copyrighted content that cannot be found anywhere else now, so they are the only ones who can train on it.
- gordonhart 4mo ago
  Meta has tons of that, but no frontier contender. Clearly there’s _something_ more to the equation than money
sho 4mo ago
I think when you follow this stuff every day it's easy to lose perspective of the rate of change and these leads seem more profound than they really are when you zoom out a bit. I'm no super-insider, I only hear industry scuttlebutt like everyone else, but I have about a 95% confidence that the last 18 months has just been about more and better, without any kind of real leap or breakthrough. More hardware, more data, better technique. Well, technique diffuses as people change companies, hardware can be built, and data can be gathered (or stolen!). From my admittedly outsider perspective, the only years-long moat there is who has the most hardware. If you have the hardware, you can give away the compute to get the data (hello, subsidized subscriptions!). Technique can simply be hired. The only durable, multi-year advantage is the hardware. So is that a moat? Sure, but it doesn't have a whole lot to do with the leading model companies of the moment. ASML is the real moat, and so it's ASML China is besieging, correctly (IMO) identifying that everything else can be caught up easily enough. Check back in a few years...

I think the 'models have no moat' thing is overblown. Only like 3-4 companies in the entire world have cutting edge models, that means there is some kind of moat...

seydor 4mo ago

money. but it eventually runs out

rvnx 4mo ago
A little IPO is the solution. Don't we all want to (automatically) and passively invest in a company losing billions of dollars ? At least we can diversify our portfolio from SpaceX.
- tcp_handshaker 4mo ago
  Pre-Quote: "We are all going to lose, hundreds of billions"
TiredOfLife 4mo ago
Grok and Meta. Both have money and compute, both have shit models. Also Google. Has money, models not so good.

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rvnx 4mo ago

Money. That's their moat. Maybe also stolen copyrighted content that cannot be found anywhere else now, so they are the only ones who can train on it.

gordonhart 4mo ago
Meta has tons of that, but no frontier contender. Clearly there’s _something_ more to the equation than money

sho 4mo ago

I think when you follow this stuff every day it's easy to lose perspective of the rate of change and these leads seem more profound than they really are when you zoom out a bit. I'm no super-insider, I only hear industry scuttlebutt like everyone else, but I have about a 95% confidence that the last 18 months has just been about more and better, without any kind of real leap or breakthrough. More hardware, more data, better technique. Well, technique diffuses as people change companies, hardware can be built, and data can be gathered (or stolen!). From my admittedly outsider perspective, the only years-long moat there is who has the most hardware. If you have the hardware, you can give away the compute to get the data (hello, subsidized subscriptions!). Technique can simply be hired. The only durable, multi-year advantage is the hardware. So is that a moat? Sure, but it doesn't have a whole lot to do with the leading model companies of the moment. ASML is the real moat, and so it's ASML China is besieging, correctly (IMO) identifying that everything else can be caught up easily enough. Check back in a few years...