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I once wanted to build an alternative to Craig’s list. There were SO MANY things I had ideas to improve. Then I realized I had literally no idea how Craig’s lis

by dstroot 4mo ago

I once wanted to build an alternative to Craig’s list. There were SO MANY things I had ideas to improve. Then I realized I had literally no idea how Craig’s list makes money. None. They did not charge for ads and they didn’t have advertising. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BeetleB 4mo ago
IIRC, he said the bulk of revenue comes from job listings.
- dstroot 4mo ago
  Thanks!
- KennyBlanken 4mo ago
  You misspelled "ads for prostitution." Which they eventually stopped doing, only after considerable public pressure and state AGs threatening criminal prosecution. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/craigslist-drops-adult-services-ads-whats-the-real-impact https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/craigslist-drops-adult-ser... Everyone need stop making out Craig and James out to be super moralistic dudes. They both profited, enormously, off sexual exploitation and human trafficking around the world by (knowingly) serving as a directory for pimps.
  - SXX 4mo ago
    Its not a private business fault that US did not create a legal framework protecting sex workers and instead continue facilitate exploitation and traffiking by keeping it illegal. US have legal porn industry and its strictly regulated and mostly safe for those wofking in it. Imagine how it would look like if it was illegal too.
    - forgetfreeman 4mo ago
      Are you proposing that forming an S-corp somehow eliminates an individuals moral or ethical obligations?
      - SXX 4mo ago
        It does not since morals and ethics are relative. Having legal framework and regulation solves problems with exploitation and traffiking though. If sex work is illegal there will be pimps, illegal ads, criminal organizations facilitate it and abuse.
  - driverdan 4mo ago
    > They both profited, enormously, off sexual exploitation and human trafficking around the world by (knowingly) serving as a directory for pimps. From what I read back when this happened you have it backwards. The classifieds on CL and other sites for sex were were largely individuals choosing to do it. They were not being trafficked or pimped. By closing those listings down it would end up pushing sex workers to find other sources of clients, like pimps.
    - simoncion 4mo ago
      > The classifieds on CL and other sites for sex were were largely individuals choosing to do it. They were not being trafficked or pimped. Yep. Just like with marijuana and other such "vices", the thing that takes most of the violence and exploitation out of the industries that produce, market, and sell a "vice" [0] is to make it legal to produce, advertise, and sell. There's also a side angle here where some folks absolutely disbelieve that an attractive human who really enjoys fucking would rather make their own hours getting paid to fuck than get abused by a shitty boss at an entry-level job. Are there people coerced into sex work? _Absolutely_. But, there are people coerced into nearly every sort of job out there, so that's not saying much. [0] Well, actually this applies to any industry. No matter what it is, if you have to do illegal shit to create, distribute, and sell it, and if there's notable amount of money to be made in selling it, then there's inevitably gonna be violent folks involved in the process.
      - gregw2 4mo ago
        Legalization reduces the risk of violence to sellers and buyers and external parties. This in turn reduces the risk premium and quick score potential of the "business". The problem with the legalization strategy to reduce violence is that it has its limits. It turns a high-risk game into a high-volume high-scale game. It validates the creation of a corporate ecosystem who then are incented to create demand for the "vice" while simultaneously concealing what they know (or come to learn) about the vice's side effects.
        simoncion 3mo ago

by dstroot 4mo ago

BeetleB 4mo ago

IIRC, he said the bulk of revenue comes from job listings.

dstroot 4mo ago
Thanks!
KennyBlanken 4mo ago
You misspelled "ads for prostitution." Which they eventually stopped doing, only after considerable public pressure and state AGs threatening criminal prosecution. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/craigslist-drops-adult-services-ads-whats-the-real-impact https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/craigslist-drops-adult-ser... Everyone need stop making out Craig and James out to be super moralistic dudes. They both profited, enormously, off sexual exploitation and human trafficking around the world by (knowingly) serving as a directory for pimps.
- SXX 4mo ago
  Its not a private business fault that US did not create a legal framework protecting sex workers and instead continue facilitate exploitation and traffiking by keeping it illegal. US have legal porn industry and its strictly regulated and mostly safe for those wofking in it. Imagine how it would look like if it was illegal too.
  - forgetfreeman 4mo ago
    Are you proposing that forming an S-corp somehow eliminates an individuals moral or ethical obligations?
    - SXX 4mo ago
      It does not since morals and ethics are relative. Having legal framework and regulation solves problems with exploitation and traffiking though. If sex work is illegal there will be pimps, illegal ads, criminal organizations facilitate it and abuse.
- driverdan 4mo ago
  > They both profited, enormously, off sexual exploitation and human trafficking around the world by (knowingly) serving as a directory for pimps. From what I read back when this happened you have it backwards. The classifieds on CL and other sites for sex were were largely individuals choosing to do it. They were not being trafficked or pimped. By closing those listings down it would end up pushing sex workers to find other sources of clients, like pimps.
  - simoncion 4mo ago
    > The classifieds on CL and other sites for sex were were largely individuals choosing to do it. They were not being trafficked or pimped. Yep. Just like with marijuana and other such "vices", the thing that takes most of the violence and exploitation out of the industries that produce, market, and sell a "vice" [0] is to make it legal to produce, advertise, and sell. There's also a side angle here where some folks absolutely disbelieve that an attractive human who really enjoys fucking would rather make their own hours getting paid to fuck than get abused by a shitty boss at an entry-level job. Are there people coerced into sex work? _Absolutely_. But, there are people coerced into nearly every sort of job out there, so that's not saying much. [0] Well, actually this applies to any industry. No matter what it is, if you have to do illegal shit to create, distribute, and sell it, and if there's notable amount of money to be made in selling it, then there's inevitably gonna be violent folks involved in the process.
    - gregw2 4mo ago
      Legalization reduces the risk of violence to sellers and buyers and external parties. This in turn reduces the risk premium and quick score potential of the "business". The problem with the legalization strategy to reduce violence is that it has its limits. It turns a high-risk game into a high-volume high-scale game. It validates the creation of a corporate ecosystem who then are incented to create demand for the "vice" while simultaneously concealing what they know (or come to learn) about the vice's side effects.
      - simoncion 3mo ago