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I'm a die-hard vimmer. I use vim-motions everywhere - they permeate my editors/IDEs, browsers, terminal, I use them system wide (e.g. to change volume or contro

I'm a die-hard vimmer. I use vim-motions everywhere - they permeate my editors/IDEs, browsers, terminal, I use them system wide (e.g. to change volume or control media or my WM). One day I woke up with the realization of the fundamental truth - Emacs simply vims better. Much better than even Neovim. I just had to master Vim and grok some Lisp to arrive to that conclusion. People fighting Vim vs. Emacs are materially wrong - they focus on superficial (albeit substantial) angle, instead of considering the core ideas behind them. Vim's augmentation of modality is an incredible, beautiful, practical concept. Lisp - yet another grandest idea in all history of computer science. And these ideas are not overlapping. Lisp-powered vimming grants you genuinely joyful experience - surprisingly empowering and enormously liberating. Emacs' Lisp interpreter is so capable - accurately simulating vim in it is not impossible, while pretty much every other editor/IDE has failed - not a single VSCode plugin, not Sublime, not IntelliJ with IdeaVim have ever fully implemented vim motions to the degree where it doesn't feel foreign, while Evil-mode in Emacs feels like a built-in feature. Until recently, bolting Lisp into Vim seemed impossible, today you can get a pseudo-Lisp engine with Fennel. Even though it unlikely ever feel like Emacs. If you're sticking to one thing only due to some muscle memory, sure you're not a savage, you're just a bit ignorant.

dotancohen 4mo ago
Almost all my vimming is in Emacs now. I started with Org mode - now I can't find any feature of any TODO application that Org mode doesn't do better.
- fladd 4mo ago
  Functional and comfortable syncing with your mobile?
  - dotancohen 4mo ago
    I suppose that you mean via some third party cloud. I personally sync my Org mode notes via adb when I backup the phone occasionally. I read on the phone using Orgro. You might be able to sync with Dropbox.
- koiueo 4mo ago
  Timezones? Org timestamps infamously do not support them. I can't imagine using a todo application which lies to me half a year and every time I travel.
  - iLemming 4mo ago
    > Org timestamps infamously do not support them. So? Emacs has built-in solar and lunar calendars, has world-clock command, format-time-string accepts ZONE argument. Why don't you build a minor mode that calculates the offsets and shows you stuff in different timezones? This can be done in less than 15 minutes. With AI maybe in 20. You're not dealing with an app you paid for, and your complaint not even an accurate one: Org's timestamp format doesn't encode timezone by default. Emacs absolutely supports the feature you want, you just didn't know about it.
    - koiueo 4mo ago
      Oh, you can't imagine how I'd like to be proven wrong. Last time I checked, proper timezone support wasn't there. One could specify single timezone for entire org engine, but not per timestamp. I found some nearly official mailing list thread where participants couldn't settle on a single solution, and so the conclusion was that proper TZ is not coming to org. > Org's timestamp format doesn't encode timezone by default > format-time-string accepts ZONE argument Isn't format-time-string just a visual decoration? Last time I checked, agenda and all other plumbing always treated every timestamp as local (to the TZ configured globally). And so if I recorded that I have a meeting at 1PM London time, my org-agend would show it to me 1PM even if my TZ is set to New York. > Why don't you build a minor mode that calculates the offsets and shows you stuff in different timezones? Can you elaborate? My understanding was that I'd need to rewrite entire org in order to support time stamps with mixed time zones embedded in them. > You're not dealing with an app you paid for Actually, I'd be willing to pay above the competitor _subscritpion_ price for an org-based organizer with - proper TZ support - conflict-free sync between devices - (cherry on top) touch UI friendly Android client. But honestly, orgzly would do, as long as it supports the above
      - 4mo ago
- human305893 4mo ago
  I'm heading towards that point. org-mode is just too good as a todo & notetaking app. Just not vimming in my emacs yet.
wwweston 4mo ago
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dotancohen 4mo ago

Almost all my vimming is in Emacs now. I started with Org mode - now I can't find any feature of any TODO application that Org mode doesn't do better.

fladd 4mo ago
Functional and comfortable syncing with your mobile?
- dotancohen 4mo ago
  I suppose that you mean via some third party cloud. I personally sync my Org mode notes via adb when I backup the phone occasionally. I read on the phone using Orgro. You might be able to sync with Dropbox.
koiueo 4mo ago
Timezones? Org timestamps infamously do not support them. I can't imagine using a todo application which lies to me half a year and every time I travel.
- iLemming 4mo ago
  > Org timestamps infamously do not support them. So? Emacs has built-in solar and lunar calendars, has world-clock command, format-time-string accepts ZONE argument. Why don't you build a minor mode that calculates the offsets and shows you stuff in different timezones? This can be done in less than 15 minutes. With AI maybe in 20. You're not dealing with an app you paid for, and your complaint not even an accurate one: Org's timestamp format doesn't encode timezone by default. Emacs absolutely supports the feature you want, you just didn't know about it.
  - koiueo 4mo ago
    Oh, you can't imagine how I'd like to be proven wrong. Last time I checked, proper timezone support wasn't there. One could specify single timezone for entire org engine, but not per timestamp. I found some nearly official mailing list thread where participants couldn't settle on a single solution, and so the conclusion was that proper TZ is not coming to org. > Org's timestamp format doesn't encode timezone by default > format-time-string accepts ZONE argument Isn't format-time-string just a visual decoration? Last time I checked, agenda and all other plumbing always treated every timestamp as local (to the TZ configured globally). And so if I recorded that I have a meeting at 1PM London time, my org-agend would show it to me 1PM even if my TZ is set to New York. > Why don't you build a minor mode that calculates the offsets and shows you stuff in different timezones? Can you elaborate? My understanding was that I'd need to rewrite entire org in order to support time stamps with mixed time zones embedded in them. > You're not dealing with an app you paid for Actually, I'd be willing to pay above the competitor _subscritpion_ price for an org-based organizer with - proper TZ support - conflict-free sync between devices - (cherry on top) touch UI friendly Android client. But honestly, orgzly would do, as long as it supports the above
    - 4mo ago
human305893 4mo ago
I'm heading towards that point. org-mode is just too good as a todo & notetaking app. Just not vimming in my emacs yet.

wwweston 4mo ago

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