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I use vi because I'm not a savage

mesrik 4mo ago
Vi is fine. It's superior and to bare ed - The Standard Editor*, when you don't have anything else available. I made much of my living coding vi 7 years in -80's. And I still use vi, when emacs is not there or system has so little memory that emacs is too much. Which is usually with a embedded systems or some old Unix on single mode fixing unbootable system. *) https://cs.wellesley.edu/~cs249/Resources/ed_is_the_standard_text_editor.html* https://cs.wellesley.edu/~cs249/Resources/ed_is_the_standard...
bbkane 4mo ago
NeoVim because it's fun!! So many plugins and colorschemes! So customizable- these days Claude will just change it for you, no need to learn the APIs if you're just interested in the result. Yes you're AI-slopping your config, but the drawbacks to that are super low (it's a personal editor, not something I'm inflicting on others)
- prinny_ 4mo ago
  AI slopping my config is what allowed me to learn vim without going through the pain of setting it up. I can ask AI to teach me about some motions or set up some configs for m in lua without ever know lua. This is the biggest impact of AI in my professional life.
zhxhhshshs 4mo ago
You will be downvoted into oblivion. For speaking the truth. Vi-lets, engage!
- em-bee 4mo ago
  why do we run from the police dad? they use emacs, we use vi, son.
wafflemaker 4mo ago
If emacs is not installed on a system, I use sed. In addition to not getting stuck inside it when you don't remember the magic exit incantation, you can immediately reuse the command on a different file. And it doesn't play sounds while you do it. Plus when you're typing the sed command, you can use emacs key bindings to move around!
- bananamogul 4mo ago
  "If emacs is not installed on a system, I use sed." Bill Joy (creator of vi) once said that if he sits down on a foreign system, he reaches for ed [1]. To be fair, both emacs and vi have "magic exit incantations", though if you have emacs perhaps you have a menu in GUI mode. If not, C-x C-c is really not any more memorable than :wq! The vi one at least has an obvious mnemonic ("write quit") but either way, you need to know an arbitrary sequence of keystrokes. [1] http://xahlee.info/comp/interview_with_bill_joy.html http://xahlee.info/comp/interview_with_bill_joy.html
iLemming 4mo ago
I'm a die-hard vimmer. I use vim-motions everywhere - they permeate my editors/IDEs, browsers, terminal, I use them system wide (e.g. to change volume or control media or my WM). One day I woke up with the realization of the fundamental truth - Emacs simply vims better. Much better than even Neovim. I just had to master Vim and grok some Lisp to arrive to that conclusion. People fighting Vim vs. Emacs are materially wrong - they focus on superficial (albeit substantial) angle, instead of considering the core ideas behind them. Vim's augmentation of modality is an incredible, beautiful, practical concept. Lisp - yet another grandest idea in all history of computer science. And these ideas are not overlapping. Lisp-powered vimming grants you genuinely joyful experience - surprisingly empowering and enormously liberating. Emacs' Lisp interpreter is so capable - accurately simulating vim in it is not impossible, while pretty much every other editor/IDE has failed - not a single VSCode plugin, not Sublime, not IntelliJ with IdeaVim have ever fully implemented vim motions to the degree where it doesn't feel foreign, while Evil-mode in Emacs feels like a built-in feature. Until recently, bolting Lisp into Vim seemed impossible, today you can get a pseudo-Lisp engine with Fennel. Even though it unlikely ever feel like Emacs. If you're sticking to one thing only due to some muscle memory, sure you're not a savage, you're just a bit ignorant.
- dotancohen 4mo ago
  Almost all my vimming is in Emacs now. I started with Org mode - now I can't find any feature of any TODO application that Org mode doesn't do better.
  - fladd 4mo ago
    Functional and comfortable syncing with your mobile?
    - dotancohen 4mo ago
      I suppose that you mean via some third party cloud. I personally sync my Org mode notes via adb when I backup the phone occasionally. I read on the phone using Orgro. You might be able to sync with Dropbox.

Vi is fine. It's superior and to bare ed - The Standard Editor*, when you don't have anything else available. I made much of my living coding vi 7 years in -80's. And I still use vi, when emacs is not there or system has so little memory that emacs is too much. Which is usually with a embedded systems or some old Unix on single mode fixing unbootable system. *) https://cs.wellesley.edu/~cs249/Resources/ed_is_the_standard_text_editor.html* https://cs.wellesley.edu/~cs249/Resources/ed_is_the_standard...

bbkane 4mo ago

NeoVim because it's fun!! So many plugins and colorschemes! So customizable- these days Claude will just change it for you, no need to learn the APIs if you're just interested in the result. Yes you're AI-slopping your config, but the drawbacks to that are super low (it's a personal editor, not something I'm inflicting on others)

prinny_ 4mo ago
AI slopping my config is what allowed me to learn vim without going through the pain of setting it up. I can ask AI to teach me about some motions or set up some configs for m in lua without ever know lua. This is the biggest impact of AI in my professional life.

zhxhhshshs 4mo ago

You will be downvoted into oblivion. For speaking the truth. Vi-lets, engage!

em-bee 4mo ago
why do we run from the police dad? they use emacs, we use vi, son.

wafflemaker 4mo ago

If emacs is not installed on a system, I use sed. In addition to not getting stuck inside it when you don't remember the magic exit incantation, you can immediately reuse the command on a different file. And it doesn't play sounds while you do it. Plus when you're typing the sed command, you can use emacs key bindings to move around!

bananamogul 4mo ago
"If emacs is not installed on a system, I use sed." Bill Joy (creator of vi) once said that if he sits down on a foreign system, he reaches for ed [1]. To be fair, both emacs and vi have "magic exit incantations", though if you have emacs perhaps you have a menu in GUI mode. If not, C-x C-c is really not any more memorable than :wq! The vi one at least has an obvious mnemonic ("write quit") but either way, you need to know an arbitrary sequence of keystrokes. [1] http://xahlee.info/comp/interview_with_bill_joy.html http://xahlee.info/comp/interview_with_bill_joy.html

iLemming 4mo ago

I'm a die-hard vimmer. I use vim-motions everywhere - they permeate my editors/IDEs, browsers, terminal, I use them system wide (e.g. to change volume or control media or my WM). One day I woke up with the realization of the fundamental truth - Emacs simply vims better. Much better than even Neovim. I just had to master Vim and grok some Lisp to arrive to that conclusion. People fighting Vim vs. Emacs are materially wrong - they focus on superficial (albeit substantial) angle, instead of considering the core ideas behind them. Vim's augmentation of modality is an incredible, beautiful, practical concept. Lisp - yet another grandest idea in all history of computer science. And these ideas are not overlapping. Lisp-powered vimming grants you genuinely joyful experience - surprisingly empowering and enormously liberating. Emacs' Lisp interpreter is so capable - accurately simulating vim in it is not impossible, while pretty much every other editor/IDE has failed - not a single VSCode plugin, not Sublime, not IntelliJ with IdeaVim have ever fully implemented vim motions to the degree where it doesn't feel foreign, while Evil-mode in Emacs feels like a built-in feature. Until recently, bolting Lisp into Vim seemed impossible, today you can get a pseudo-Lisp engine with Fennel. Even though it unlikely ever feel like Emacs. If you're sticking to one thing only due to some muscle memory, sure you're not a savage, you're just a bit ignorant.

dotancohen 4mo ago
Almost all my vimming is in Emacs now. I started with Org mode - now I can't find any feature of any TODO application that Org mode doesn't do better.
- fladd 4mo ago
  Functional and comfortable syncing with your mobile?
  - dotancohen 4mo ago
    I suppose that you mean via some third party cloud. I personally sync my Org mode notes via adb when I backup the phone occasionally. I read on the phone using Orgro. You might be able to sync with Dropbox.