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Sovereignty is mostly just a protectionist racket. European firms struggle to compete with dominant US platforms, framing industrial policy as "sovereignty" rat

Sovereignty is mostly just a protectionist racket. European firms struggle to compete with dominant US platforms, framing industrial policy as "sovereignty" rather than protectionism just sounds more strategic and security-oriented. I've seen US platforms bend over backwards to meet the requirements and they still choose their preferred winner. Predictably the goalposts keep moving.

oytis 4mo ago
EU doesn't have enough money to just buy the competition
- joe_mamba 4mo ago
  EU had more money than China yet shipped fewer dominant software platforms
  - dudisubekti 4mo ago
    Yeah money is just a fancy paper if you can't translate it to actual productivity.
  - m00dy 4mo ago
    money and credit are different things. EU has credit.
  - oytis 4mo ago
    China doesn't allow foreign social media on their territory at all. US had one for a short time, then panicked and forced them to sell. EU can neither buy American platforms, nor does it want to build a great firewall of Europe, so it's trying to find other ways to get in control
    - joe_mamba 4mo ago
      > nor does it want to build a great firewall of Europe Oh yes they are. Just more stealthily via ID doxing age verification and speech censorship regulations.
      - oytis 4mo ago
        That's a huge stretch. Age verification is a worrying, but a wordwide trend, several US states introduced it as well. The first country to introduce it was Australia, which is only related to Europe by participating in Eurovision
        joe_mamba 4mo ago
        >That's a huge stretch. It isn't. > but a wordwide trend And that's supposed to make it ... FINE? LIke "Hey, the entire world is becoming an authoritarian surveillance state, what do you expect the EU to do? NOT do it?" YES! That's what I expect. I don't want the EU becoming China but with a blue flag.
skrebbel 4mo ago
This seems a bit tone deaf. Trump can force American tech companies to hand over data or disable accesss of European accounts. Eg a year ago he didn’t like what some judges at the International Criminal Court in The Hague (NL) were doing so he had Microsoft block their email access. Sure it vibes very well with protectionists but the sovereignty angle is real. The USA is no longer a reliable partner. (And just before someone mistakes my comment as having any stance on W Social, I do not)

oytis 4mo ago

EU doesn't have enough money to just buy the competition

joe_mamba 4mo ago
EU had more money than China yet shipped fewer dominant software platforms
- dudisubekti 4mo ago
  Yeah money is just a fancy paper if you can't translate it to actual productivity.
- m00dy 4mo ago
  money and credit are different things. EU has credit.
- oytis 4mo ago
  China doesn't allow foreign social media on their territory at all. US had one for a short time, then panicked and forced them to sell. EU can neither buy American platforms, nor does it want to build a great firewall of Europe, so it's trying to find other ways to get in control
  - joe_mamba 4mo ago
    > nor does it want to build a great firewall of Europe Oh yes they are. Just more stealthily via ID doxing age verification and speech censorship regulations.
    - oytis 4mo ago
      That's a huge stretch. Age verification is a worrying, but a wordwide trend, several US states introduced it as well. The first country to introduce it was Australia, which is only related to Europe by participating in Eurovision
      - joe_mamba 4mo ago
        >That's a huge stretch. It isn't. > but a wordwide trend And that's supposed to make it ... FINE? LIke "Hey, the entire world is becoming an authoritarian surveillance state, what do you expect the EU to do? NOT do it?" YES! That's what I expect. I don't want the EU becoming China but with a blue flag.

skrebbel 4mo ago

This seems a bit tone deaf. Trump can force American tech companies to hand over data or disable accesss of European accounts. Eg a year ago he didn’t like what some judges at the International Criminal Court in The Hague (NL) were doing so he had Microsoft block their email access. Sure it vibes very well with protectionists but the sovereignty angle is real. The USA is no longer a reliable partner. (And just before someone mistakes my comment as having any stance on W Social, I do not)