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does the mysql/mariadb comparison actually make sense? mysql is not really a downstream distro of mariadb (maaybe even the opposite?) so i thought i understood

does the mysql/mariadb comparison actually make sense? mysql is not really a downstream distro of mariadb (maaybe even the opposite?) so i thought i understood the situation as presented until that paragraph

Yokohiii 4mo ago
mysql was pretty much the downstream thing that everybody used back then.
- Sesse__ 4mo ago
  MySQL has never been downstream of MariaDB.
  - Yokohiii 4mo ago
    I am talking pre mariadb times.
    - Sesse__ 4mo ago
      Are you maybe confusing “downstream” with “mainstream”? Being “downstream” of a product means that you are a derivative of that product (your upstream), taking in basically all of their code and adding your own on top.
      - Yokohiii 4mo ago
        So the meaning of downstream is different for SuperSQL (the direct derivative) and TodoApp (the commercial product)? Imho, downstream are all consumers/users of that product. I guess it's arguable how a package manager positions in that terminology. Edit: Also I originally said, "it was the thing used downstream", which just is to describe the consumers. Also not sure what I got into, because the original question is wildly confusing!
embedding-shape 4mo ago
The way I remember it, was that MySQL was sold, then some time after, MariaDB was created as a fork, and you could switch between them. Then at one point MariaDB diverged sufficiently that you could no longer "effortlessly" (kinda) switch between them, by now they're separate but MariaDB's origin is still MySQL obviously.
- nijave 4mo ago
  Yes Monty started MySQL then forked when either Sun or Oracle acquired it. My, Maria, and Max are his kids. There is MaxScale which is a L7 SQL proxy/loadbalancer
evanelias 4mo ago
I had the same immediate reaction. It's a completely nonsensical comparison which just demonstrates the author is extremely confused about the relationship between MySQL and MariaDB, in terms of their corporate entities and project structures. That said, it seems to be a common point of confusion among FOSS die-hards, but still super unfortunate to see it repeated in this context!

Yokohiii 4mo ago

mysql was pretty much the downstream thing that everybody used back then.

Sesse__ 4mo ago
MySQL has never been downstream of MariaDB.
- Yokohiii 4mo ago
  I am talking pre mariadb times.
  - Sesse__ 4mo ago
    Are you maybe confusing “downstream” with “mainstream”? Being “downstream” of a product means that you are a derivative of that product (your upstream), taking in basically all of their code and adding your own on top.
    - Yokohiii 4mo ago
      So the meaning of downstream is different for SuperSQL (the direct derivative) and TodoApp (the commercial product)? Imho, downstream are all consumers/users of that product. I guess it's arguable how a package manager positions in that terminology. Edit: Also I originally said, "it was the thing used downstream", which just is to describe the consumers. Also not sure what I got into, because the original question is wildly confusing!

embedding-shape 4mo ago

The way I remember it, was that MySQL was sold, then some time after, MariaDB was created as a fork, and you could switch between them. Then at one point MariaDB diverged sufficiently that you could no longer "effortlessly" (kinda) switch between them, by now they're separate but MariaDB's origin is still MySQL obviously.

nijave 4mo ago
Yes Monty started MySQL then forked when either Sun or Oracle acquired it. My, Maria, and Max are his kids. There is MaxScale which is a L7 SQL proxy/loadbalancer

evanelias 4mo ago

I had the same immediate reaction. It's a completely nonsensical comparison which just demonstrates the author is extremely confused about the relationship between MySQL and MariaDB, in terms of their corporate entities and project structures. That said, it seems to be a common point of confusion among FOSS die-hards, but still super unfortunate to see it repeated in this context!