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I don't understand why anyone would want to make the same mistake all over again: jumping onto a private platform owned by a company inevitably results in you b
by jwr 4mo ago
I don't understand why anyone would want to make the same mistake all over again: jumping onto a private platform owned by a company inevitably results in you becoming the product sold and enshittification.
We've seen it so many times.
Learn the lesson. Use Mastodon this time.
- matteomrj 4mo agoEurosky is also an option.
- 17383848 4mo ago[dead]
- Landing7610 4mo agoBut thats just the thing with atproto. The company sucks? Just move your PDS.
- RobotToaster 4mo agoIf they filter you at the relay or appview level that doesn't work.
- afavour 4mo agoatproto is also open source and in my experience (solely as a user rather than a developer on the API/network) it simply works better than Mastodon.
- mort96 4mo agoAnd what is that experience of yours? Do you have experience from deployments with many independent atproto data servers and relays federating together? Or do you have experience from bluesky, meaning you're only interacting with one central server and none of the complexities of federation come into play?
- tao_oat 4mo agoIf you use bsky.app, you still see posts from other servers (Blacksky, Eurosky, W Social, and so on). But yes, by the protocol's design you're primarily interacting with one central aggregator of everything (Bluesky's AppView).
- danabramov 4mo agoThat’s like saying that someone using Google Reader doesn’t “experience federation of RSS”. Yes, my experience using the Bluesky app includes the Bluesky app server aggregating from many independent PDS hosts (because people I follow like that). But it doesn’t show up in user experience because that’s the whole point. And yes, I can use another aggregator instead of the Bluesky app, or even use a client which has no backend and relies on community-run Constellation index. It all roughly works the same.
- mort96 4mo agoAnd it works as smoothly for people on other app servers?
- danabramov 4mo agoWhat does “people on other app servers” mean? That’s not a thing. App servers are aggregators. You can use any to read the network. Here’s a post I wrote, as seen via Bluesky aggregator: https://bsky.app/profile/danabra.mov/post/3mol3gyikac2d https://bsky.app/profile/danabra.mov/post/3mol3gyikac2d A second later, I could see the same post via the Blacksky community aggregator: https://blacksky.community/profile/did:plc:fpruhuo22xkm5o7ttr2ktxdo/post/3mol3gyikac2d https://blacksky.community/profile/did:plc:fpruhuo22xkm5o7tt... Here’s the same post on pdsls which reads it directly from my hosting: https://pdsls.dev/at://did:plc:fpruhuo22xkm5o7ttr2ktxdo/app.bsky.feed.post/3mol3gyikac2d https://pdsls.dev/at://did:plc:fpruhuo22xkm5o7ttr2ktxdo/app.... My hosting is managed by Bluesky but it has nothing to do with Bluesky app. Hosting is a separate decoupled thing. I could move hosting to my own Docker container, and all aggregators would see my posts just as fine. Does this clear things up?
- chadgpt3 4mo agoATProto is centralized.
- colesantiago 4mo agoNobody important or worth following uses Mastodon. Also Mastodon is on the road to enshittification since the previous CEO and founder bowed out for $1M using donations and the main instance federates with Meta's Threads. The other instances are out of the question since one rogue instance owner can lock and shutdown that instance.
- Aachen 4mo agoHow can you know there's nobody worth following on Mastodon?
- bigfishrunning 4mo agoI was on mastodon for a year, and the only people there were other dorks looking for someone to follow on mastodon
- Aachen 4mo agoHuh, okay. For me there's everything from government updates to industry news to friends and acquaintances active on Mastodon. Meeting new people there as well. Maybe infosec and my friends are just all dorks
- pferde 4mo agoIf you actually take the time to look for posts and communities about things you care about, you'll find more than enough of interesting people. It's just that there is no algorithm to feed you content, you have to be active in looking for it, at least initially. I'm not necessarily saying you made this mistake, but plenty of other people who dip their toe in the fediverse do this - they get in, find nothing in their feed, they shrug and forget about it. A good start is to search for a few hashtags that match your interests, even add a follow for those if you see they're active, and soon you'll start seeing interesting people. I've been on there for years, and I'm always amazed at the small niche discussion threads I find.
- oytis 4mo agoTerry Tao, Bert Hubert, Michal Zalewski (lcamtuf), Bunny Huang are just a few in my feed. But Mastodon is more about peer-to-peer communication than celebrities farming engagement indeed. No signs of enshittification either so far, barely any new features being added TBH
- greenavocado 4mo agoThere is no lesson to be learned. There are billions of noobs. There is always a cow to milk, it seems.
- mglvsky 4mo agoI'd go further - just leave social media
- jwr 4mo agoNo, not necessarily. Mastodon is actually "social media", as opposed to twitter/X, bluewhatever, facebook, or any other commercial outlet, to be honest, all of these have become "feeds" of promoted content designed to maximize "engagement". Mastodon is social: you follow people, you see their stuff. It's what social media used to be.
- soco 4mo agoWhich is what eYou is trying to build as well. Including AI fact-checking: far from perfect but interesting to read its fact checks on your own posts.
- pfraze 4mo agoFyi it’s actually called bluesky, not bluewhatever
- addedGone 4mo agoBluesky is really lagging in user adoption because the name itself implies some sort of political divide, and from experience, it seems that it's an echo chamber where "right" activists are getting demolished at the first occasion, I wished it would have a mix of people and opinion.
- pfraze 4mo agoWcyd? It was the name that Dorsey chose before the PBC was even formed. It's from the technical term of art, like greenfield.
- onraglanroad 4mo agoI'm guessing that's because blue means left wing in the USA and red means right wing. Why did you switch them around? Red always meant left wing. Even in the US red meant the Soviets. It's just confusing to everyone else.
- erxam 4mo agoCall me when the Fediverse has a search function that actually fucking works. Most of my time in social media is spent searching for keywords of whatever I'm interested in, which is one thing which Mastodon is absolutely awful at. Also, while we’re at it, try to make Fediverse culture less insular and more open. There's no point in trying to reply to anyone since everyone hates everyone else. Pointless platform.
- dolmen 4mo ago> Call me when the Fediverse has a search function that actually fucking works. Actually that's a feature. If search doesn't work, there is less incentive for bots polluting others people searches. On the other hand, search works so bad than even connecting to people you know on other networks is painful.
- erxam 4mo agoIt's not even about connecting to other people. I'm a toxic, friendless miserable asshole. I don't have anyone to connect with. All I use social media for is to look at whatever funny piece of media I'm obsessed with currently and related things. Unfortunately, Mastodon both has busted search and useless tags. Tumblr's search has been hilariously bad for ages now, but at least the tagging system is so comprehensive it more than makes up for it. Mastodon is the worst of all worlds in that aspect.
- jwr 4mo agoI have entirely different experiences and I haven't seen much hating — but having read this, perhaps indeed mastodon isn't for you :-)
- erxam 4mo agoIt's not hating, it's just this general reaction against strangers even seeing your posts. I haven't actually been subject to this, yet, but I've seen enough people react negatively against others doing this that it saps all my desire to do anything other than just aimlessly scroll every once in a while. I can read the room, you know. Sometimes I wonder why do instance admins even open up their instances? Just run it for your friends and those who you like and cut the crap.