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> You should wish your country to be more like Taiwan or South Korea. Or Singapore. Total fertility rate for all of those countries is close to 1.0, including
by greenavocado 4mo ago
> You should wish your country to be more like Taiwan or South Korea. Or Singapore.
Total fertility rate for all of those countries is close to 1.0, including China's. They are dying societies.
- eru 4mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fer... suggests Chad and Somalia and DR Congo are the most vibrant societies by that metric. You might want to compare Singapore with a city like NYC or London, not with a territorial state. It's pretty normal around the world for cities to be replenished mainly by people moving in. (Of course, to be fair you then also need to compare GDP per capita against other cities. And they usually do a lot better than territorial countries that include a lot of hinterland.)
- greenavocado 4mo agoI never said a high TFR means a vibrant society. A low TFR is indisputably the slow death of a society.
- eru 4mo agoVatican is the deadest of societies, I guess?
- greenavocado 4mo agoCorrect
- petersellers 4mo agoNot necessarily if you take immigration into account.
- greenavocado 4mo agoA society replaced by immigrants is no longer that same society. My original point still stands.
- thunderfork 4mo agoWhereas a society replaced by children...
- greenavocado 4mo agoWhereas a society replaced by its own children maintains continuity of community, nation, or broad grouping of people having common traditions, institutions, and collective activities and interests
- eru 4mo agoWhat about those societies that have traditionally replaced themselves via immigrants? Moving to a replacement via kids would be the change for them.
- thunderfork 4mo agoPlenty changes between generations. Still not the same society.
- eru 4mo agoIn the case of Singapore it would be just the opposite: Singapore was and is build on the back of immigrants. Replacing ourselves with kids instead of immigrants would be the big change.
- myrmidon 4mo ago> A low TFR is indisputably the slow death of a society. No this is a non-sequitur. Low fertility only means that the affected society grows smaller. This is only equivalent to "slow death" when it persists for centuries until the society is actually dead.
- HKH2 4mo agoWhat if you omit states that depend on welfare?