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> It's the sort of thing that makes me wish my country was like China. PR China is still pretty poor (around 31k$ gdp per capita adjusted for purchasing power)
by eru 5mo ago
> It's the sort of thing that makes me wish my country was like China.
PR China is still pretty poor (around 31k$ gdp per capita adjusted for purchasing power) and its growth has lost a bit of steam recently.
You should wish your country to be more like Taiwan or South Korea. Or Singapore.
- matheusmoreira 5mo ago> 31k$ gdp per capita My country is currently at about a third of that.
- greenavocado 5mo ago> You should wish your country to be more like Taiwan or South Korea. Or Singapore. Total fertility rate for all of those countries is close to 1.0, including China's. They are dying societies.
- eru 5mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fer... suggests Chad and Somalia and DR Congo are the most vibrant societies by that metric. You might want to compare Singapore with a city like NYC or London, not with a territorial state. It's pretty normal around the world for cities to be replenished mainly by people moving in. (Of course, to be fair you then also need to compare GDP per capita against other cities. And they usually do a lot better than territorial countries that include a lot of hinterland.)
- greenavocado 5mo agoI never said a high TFR means a vibrant society. A low TFR is indisputably the slow death of a society.
- eru 5mo agoVatican is the deadest of societies, I guess?
- greenavocado 5mo agoCorrect
- petersellers 5mo agoNot necessarily if you take immigration into account.
- greenavocado 5mo agoA society replaced by immigrants is no longer that same society. My original point still stands.
- thunderfork 5mo agoWhereas a society replaced by children...
- greenavocado 5mo agoWhereas a society replaced by its own children maintains continuity of community, nation, or broad grouping of people having common traditions, institutions, and collective activities and interests
- eru 5mo agoWhat about those societies that have traditionally replaced themselves via immigrants? Moving to a replacement via kids would be the change for them.
- thunderfork 4mo agoPlenty changes between generations. Still not the same society.
- eru 5mo agoIn the case of Singapore it would be just the opposite: Singapore was and is build on the back of immigrants. Replacing ourselves with kids instead of immigrants would be the big change.
- myrmidon 5mo ago> A low TFR is indisputably the slow death of a society. No this is a non-sequitur. Low fertility only means that the affected society grows smaller. This is only equivalent to "slow death" when it persists for centuries until the society is actually dead.
- HKH2 5mo agoWhat if you omit states that depend on welfare?
- nixon_why69 5mo agoI think the PPP calculations may suffer from the same problem as the USA inflation rate being nominally low. Housing, food and medicine are all ludicrously cheap outside of tier 1 cities.