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> makes me wish my country was like China I admire their governance ability to have long term plans. The sheer scale of their production ambitions in so many

> makes me wish my country was like China I admire their governance ability to have long term plans. The sheer scale of their production ambitions in so many fields and their energy build out is insane. The fact those plans also have subclauses ensuring the party elite are made even more wealthy and powerful is less alluring.

r14c 4mo ago
> The fact those plans also have subclauses ensuring the party elite are made even more wealthy and powerful is less alluring Our oligarchs do that too and all we get in return is declining infrastructure and paranoia.
- deaux 4mo ago
  Classic case of getting downvoted solely because it's a negative comparison to China. The letter for letter exact same comment in a thread only about the US on here, that doesn't mention China, would get upvoted. You are, of course, right. All of the downsides with none of the benefits.
joe_mamba 4mo ago
>The fact those plans also have subclauses ensuring the party elite are made even more wealthy and powerful is less alluring. In which major democratic western country don't the elites get wealthier? In fact, the top 10% asset owners saw the biggest post-covid recovery, which the rest stagnated or are in decline. Not defending China but are own oligarchs are just as savvy at enriching themselves while screwing us over.
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vintermann 4mo ago
Well, it's not as if there's not an elite enriching and entrenching themselves here either. Reading about Thiel's "Dialog" meeting, I wonder, do China have their own equivalent of such blatant corruption meetings? Even if they do, do they discuss "compliance collars" for the security guards in those meetings? I have a feeling they don't. The future the Chinese elite wants to own, at least seems to include us as something other than a zombie army at the gates of their post apocalyptic bunkers. That's a low bar I know, and not much to be hopeful about, but our elites aren't even meeting it.

r14c 4mo ago

> The fact those plans also have subclauses ensuring the party elite are made even more wealthy and powerful is less alluring Our oligarchs do that too and all we get in return is declining infrastructure and paranoia.

deaux 4mo ago
Classic case of getting downvoted solely because it's a negative comparison to China. The letter for letter exact same comment in a thread only about the US on here, that doesn't mention China, would get upvoted. You are, of course, right. All of the downsides with none of the benefits.

joe_mamba 4mo ago

>The fact those plans also have subclauses ensuring the party elite are made even more wealthy and powerful is less alluring. In which major democratic western country don't the elites get wealthier? In fact, the top 10% asset owners saw the biggest post-covid recovery, which the rest stagnated or are in decline. Not defending China but are own oligarchs are just as savvy at enriching themselves while screwing us over.

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vintermann 4mo ago

Well, it's not as if there's not an elite enriching and entrenching themselves here either. Reading about Thiel's "Dialog" meeting, I wonder, do China have their own equivalent of such blatant corruption meetings? Even if they do, do they discuss "compliance collars" for the security guards in those meetings? I have a feeling they don't. The future the Chinese elite wants to own, at least seems to include us as something other than a zombie army at the gates of their post apocalyptic bunkers. That's a low bar I know, and not much to be hopeful about, but our elites aren't even meeting it.