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It's just my general impression. They banned China from the ISS, China made their own space station. China's making their own x86 chips, their own GPUs. As a f

It's just my general impression. They banned China from the ISS, China made their own space station. China's making their own x86 chips, their own GPUs. As a fellow wheel reinventer, I admire their audacity. It's the sort of thing that makes me wish my country was like China.

_carbyau_ 5mo ago
> makes me wish my country was like China I admire their governance ability to have long term plans. The sheer scale of their production ambitions in so many fields and their energy build out is insane. The fact those plans also have subclauses ensuring the party elite are made even more wealthy and powerful is less alluring.
- r14c 5mo ago
  > The fact those plans also have subclauses ensuring the party elite are made even more wealthy and powerful is less alluring Our oligarchs do that too and all we get in return is declining infrastructure and paranoia.
  - deaux 5mo ago
    Classic case of getting downvoted solely because it's a negative comparison to China. The letter for letter exact same comment in a thread only about the US on here, that doesn't mention China, would get upvoted. You are, of course, right. All of the downsides with none of the benefits.
- joe_mamba 5mo ago
  >The fact those plans also have subclauses ensuring the party elite are made even more wealthy and powerful is less alluring. In which major democratic western country don't the elites get wealthier? In fact, the top 10% asset owners saw the biggest post-covid recovery, which the rest stagnated or are in decline. Not defending China but are own oligarchs are just as savvy at enriching themselves while screwing us over.
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- vintermann 5mo ago
  Well, it's not as if there's not an elite enriching and entrenching themselves here either. Reading about Thiel's "Dialog" meeting, I wonder, do China have their own equivalent of such blatant corruption meetings? Even if they do, do they discuss "compliance collars" for the security guards in those meetings? I have a feeling they don't. The future the Chinese elite wants to own, at least seems to include us as something other than a zombie army at the gates of their post apocalyptic bunkers. That's a low bar I know, and not much to be hopeful about, but our elites aren't even meeting it.
HerbManic 5mo ago
Not only x86 chips, they are going in fairly hard on Risc V and Loongarch (MIPS/Risc V inspired ISA). Risc V is still growing trying to catch up to ARM, while Loongarch LA664/LA864 chips are much closer to x86 performance than other options. They still are many years behind but not as far as you would expect. GPU's are still a fair way behind with Moore Threads S80 being a better example of their high end. I suspect they have some major driver issues because they current benchmark far below what that silicon should be able to do. https://en.mthreads.com/product/S80 https://en.mthreads.com/product/S80 There is also the pressure to have them innovate on older process nodes so they can make this stuff domestically. For instance Huawei is doing what they call 'logic folding' which is basically just stacking dies in a way that ends up reducing the overall size of chip features. Not sure how it addresses thermals but it is a cool idea. Sorry this article is a bit of LLM rubbish but you get the point - https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/huawei-logic-folding-moores-law/ https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/huawei-logic-folding-moores-la... China is hungry and that is driving them to take these moon shots, they may just make it.
eru 5mo ago
> It's the sort of thing that makes me wish my country was like China. PR China is still pretty poor (around 31k$ gdp per capita adjusted for purchasing power) and its growth has lost a bit of steam recently. You should wish your country to be more like Taiwan or South Korea. Or Singapore.
- matheusmoreira 5mo ago
  > 31k$ gdp per capita My country is currently at about a third of that.
- greenavocado 5mo ago
  > You should wish your country to be more like Taiwan or South Korea. Or Singapore. Total fertility rate for all of those countries is close to 1.0, including China's. They are dying societies.
  - eru 5mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fer... suggests Chad and Somalia and DR Congo are the most vibrant societies by that metric. You might want to compare Singapore with a city like NYC or London, not with a territorial state. It's pretty normal around the world for cities to be replenished mainly by people moving in. (Of course, to be fair you then also need to compare GDP per capita against other cities. And they usually do a lot better than territorial countries that include a lot of hinterland.)
    - greenavocado 5mo ago
      I never said a high TFR means a vibrant society. A low TFR is indisputably the slow death of a society.
      - eru 5mo ago
        Vatican is the deadest of societies, I guess?
paulryanrogers 5mo ago
You probably wouldn't feel the same if you were born into a minority population like the Uyghurs. Or even to many of the poor underclass. Sadly it appears the current US administration is also determined to undo any progress by minorities over the centuries.

_carbyau_ 5mo ago

> makes me wish my country was like China I admire their governance ability to have long term plans. The sheer scale of their production ambitions in so many fields and their energy build out is insane. The fact those plans also have subclauses ensuring the party elite are made even more wealthy and powerful is less alluring.

r14c 5mo ago
> The fact those plans also have subclauses ensuring the party elite are made even more wealthy and powerful is less alluring Our oligarchs do that too and all we get in return is declining infrastructure and paranoia.
- deaux 5mo ago
  Classic case of getting downvoted solely because it's a negative comparison to China. The letter for letter exact same comment in a thread only about the US on here, that doesn't mention China, would get upvoted. You are, of course, right. All of the downsides with none of the benefits.
joe_mamba 5mo ago
>The fact those plans also have subclauses ensuring the party elite are made even more wealthy and powerful is less alluring. In which major democratic western country don't the elites get wealthier? In fact, the top 10% asset owners saw the biggest post-covid recovery, which the rest stagnated or are in decline. Not defending China but are own oligarchs are just as savvy at enriching themselves while screwing us over.
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vintermann 5mo ago
Well, it's not as if there's not an elite enriching and entrenching themselves here either. Reading about Thiel's "Dialog" meeting, I wonder, do China have their own equivalent of such blatant corruption meetings? Even if they do, do they discuss "compliance collars" for the security guards in those meetings? I have a feeling they don't. The future the Chinese elite wants to own, at least seems to include us as something other than a zombie army at the gates of their post apocalyptic bunkers. That's a low bar I know, and not much to be hopeful about, but our elites aren't even meeting it.

HerbManic 5mo ago

Not only x86 chips, they are going in fairly hard on Risc V and Loongarch (MIPS/Risc V inspired ISA). Risc V is still growing trying to catch up to ARM, while Loongarch LA664/LA864 chips are much closer to x86 performance than other options. They still are many years behind but not as far as you would expect. GPU's are still a fair way behind with Moore Threads S80 being a better example of their high end. I suspect they have some major driver issues because they current benchmark far below what that silicon should be able to do. https://en.mthreads.com/product/S80 https://en.mthreads.com/product/S80 There is also the pressure to have them innovate on older process nodes so they can make this stuff domestically. For instance Huawei is doing what they call 'logic folding' which is basically just stacking dies in a way that ends up reducing the overall size of chip features. Not sure how it addresses thermals but it is a cool idea. Sorry this article is a bit of LLM rubbish but you get the point - https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/huawei-logic-folding-moores-law/ https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/huawei-logic-folding-moores-la... China is hungry and that is driving them to take these moon shots, they may just make it.

eru 5mo ago

> It's the sort of thing that makes me wish my country was like China. PR China is still pretty poor (around 31k$ gdp per capita adjusted for purchasing power) and its growth has lost a bit of steam recently. You should wish your country to be more like Taiwan or South Korea. Or Singapore.

matheusmoreira 5mo ago
> 31k$ gdp per capita My country is currently at about a third of that.
greenavocado 5mo ago
> You should wish your country to be more like Taiwan or South Korea. Or Singapore. Total fertility rate for all of those countries is close to 1.0, including China's. They are dying societies.
- eru 5mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fer... suggests Chad and Somalia and DR Congo are the most vibrant societies by that metric. You might want to compare Singapore with a city like NYC or London, not with a territorial state. It's pretty normal around the world for cities to be replenished mainly by people moving in. (Of course, to be fair you then also need to compare GDP per capita against other cities. And they usually do a lot better than territorial countries that include a lot of hinterland.)
  - greenavocado 5mo ago
    I never said a high TFR means a vibrant society. A low TFR is indisputably the slow death of a society.
    - eru 5mo ago
      Vatican is the deadest of societies, I guess?

paulryanrogers 5mo ago

You probably wouldn't feel the same if you were born into a minority population like the Uyghurs. Or even to many of the poor underclass. Sadly it appears the current US administration is also determined to undo any progress by minorities over the centuries.