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As a European, I trust Chinese AI providers more than American. Cloud act did it for me.
by miroljub 4mo ago
As a European, I trust Chinese AI providers more than American. Cloud act did it for me.
- vzcx 4mo agoAs an American, I trust Chinese AI providers more than American.
- WarmWash 4mo agoThe chinese providers are just the CCP. They don't even need a cloud act...
- DANmode 4mo agoInterested in the reply to this.
- dryarzeg 4mo agoI think too many people are conflating Chinese providers with Chinese models - you can easily have Chinese models safely (well, relatively safely, I guess) hosted on US or EU infrastructure.
- crims0n 4mo agoCase in point, Microsoft just announced it is toying with the idea of using DeepSeek as a cheaper model tier in CoPilot. They are hosting the model themselves.
- Swinx43 4mo agoExactly this. For some reason this is constantly being overlooked/confused. It is very possible to deploy these models inside your own VPC on the big cloud providers and have it be completely secure. I would argue that is even more secure than trusting a model provider’s native API as your traffic is not staying inside your own controlled cloud environment.
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- jay_kyburz 4mo agoI was reading the threads about local AI closely yesterday. Some people seem happy with it. If I had the cash, I'd spend 6-10k on a strix halo with 128 GB and run it local with no internet connection. I think the Framework desktop is sold out but there were others seem to be still available.
- tranceylc 4mo agoCanadian, and I also agree. It’s hard to avoid but I try not to use any American service or data storage.
- 14u2c 4mo agoAnd that's fine of course, but it's worth noting that you're making a decision driven by emotion rather than data.
- Barrin92 4mo agoHow so, with the Snowden leaks we learned the extent of American digital espionage in Europe, the US government puts pressure on Europe to prevent taxation or regulation of American business and even European citizens have become the subject of mistreatment in American airports based on their digital profiles. We can enter China visa free. Given that you're big on data and don't like emotions, what have the Chinese materially done to us Europeans we ought to care about?
- WarmWash 4mo agoSelling Russia weapons to help kill Ukrainians, buying Russian oil/gas to help kill Ukrainians. But free AI models or something, right?
- villish 4mo agoBoth China and the US can compel businesses to hand over data. There is no reason to trust any service that doesn't have strong built in privacy.
- Vasbarlog 4mo agoIt’s not China that is threatening to annex Greenland though.
- guywithahat 4mo agoThere's nothing wrong with the US buying greenland, which has been done for territories around the world? The US has a long history of protecting individual freedoms, China does not. There's an irony that you're aware of the misgivings of the US because we have free speech protections. You're probably less aware of the misgivings of the EU because they regularly arrest citizens for speech, and no awareness of the issues with China because they'll just disappear journalists in the night.
- kachnuv_ocasek 4mo agoHow long has the history of the US protecting the individual freedoms of non-white or non-rich citizens been?
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- skippyboxedhero 4mo agoSince the late 60s there has been explicit federal legislation. I assume you meant this as a rhetorical question but there is a definite answer because the US is a transparent system. Law is passed, the courts enforce. The fact that you are unable to answer this question about China where it is often unclear why certain people are being targeted should demonstrate how big the gap is. For example, when Xi's first corruption crackdown happened, it turned out that it was being orchestrated in part by someone in their 90s who had left front-line politics twenty years ago (and much of why that happened is unclear, we are only just learning about things that happened in Chinese politics multiple decades ago so it will be a while before we know...we do know that Xi was then able to make unilateral sweeping changes to his own role shortly after that broke every convention of the last 5 decades)...it is difficult to compare this to anything that happens in any other political system. In China, you find out someone has been executed for reasons that are obviously not explicit months after it has happened. It is genuinely quite difficult to compare to anything else. 6 people meet in a room, they have almost all the power, and maybe you will read about what they might have said 4 decades later in a book...that will never be published in China.
- c03 4mo agoSame
- uberex 4mo agoI trust them as a cloud less than US but don't completely trust US.
- inigyou 4mo agoChina has something equivalent but as usual, it's harder for their spying to affect you. For now.
- deer6 4mo agoI spoke with a high up fella in a uk firm - same thing - trusting china more. Couldn’t believe it when he said. Americans you wanted isolation - you’re gonna get it eventually!