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Just because they did it doesn't mean more people should do it...

• tokioyoyo 4mo ago
  I like Ant, but also I support the tit-for-tat competition. In the best interest of consumers.
• zerobees 4mo ago
  This doesn't at all change the irony of big AI labs complaining about Chinese startups stealing the labs' IP, essentially by scraping the responses. HN has a higher proportion of AI promoters than AI skeptics, and for a good while, the default response to complaints from book authors, bloggers, and other content creators was that "you put it on the internet so it's fair game", or "it's no different from a human learning from your works". So yeah, unless we're willing to revise these answers, I think the same "tough luck" reasoning should apply here. For folks who are at Anthropic, OpenAI, xAI, or Google, and think it's fundamentally different, I would ask you to think long and hard about that answer.
  • setopt 4mo ago
    Completely agreed. I would go further and say that it should be legal to scrape responses from LLMs to train new LLMs, and that forbidding that in your ToS should be considered an illegal contract. That’s simply the best way to avoid complete monopolization of the space, without requiring more drastic measures like antitrust down the line (which we seem to not manage well these days, given the number of monopolies). As long as you pay for your tokens like anyone else, "Big LLM" shouldn’t be allowed to control what you use the output for.
    • inigyou 4mo ago
      What does an illegal contract mean?
      • setopt 4mo ago
        In many countries, if a contract contains illegal clauses (i.e. requirements that are inconsistent with the law or public policy), that contract is considered void and unenforceable. It depends on "how illegal" each statement is, whether only that part of the contract is considered void, or the contract as a whole. One extreme example would be that if I wrote a contract requiring you to become my literal slave if you didn’t pay your subscription on time, you would in practice suffer no consequences from not paying, because the contract itself is illegal in most jurisdictions. A less extreme example would be that where I live (Northern Europe), I can sign a contract saying that I waive my right to sue the company I purchase a service from, and then sue them anyway because it’s my right by law and asking me to waive my rights is an illegal contract. Or that where I live, non-compete clauses in employment contracts are illegal unless you offer 100% salary throughout the non-compete timeframe, so I can sign an employment contract with unpaid non-compete clauses and just ignore that part as it’s illegal.
  • marknutter 4mo ago
    > HN has a higher proportion of AI promoters than AI skeptics You're be using a different HN than me, or you and I only pay attention to one side or the other.
• bijowo1676 4mo ago
  why? Just because you have that opinion deoesn't mean people shouldn't do it
• watwut 4mo ago
  Actually in competition it means exactly that.
• shimman 4mo ago
  Oh course it does, why wouldn't it work this way in regards to computer science? Are we seriously going to go back to a time where numbers were considered munitions?