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They don't use their own product, and they don't want their engineers to use their product either. They want velocity, and you can't have velocity if you're bog

They don't use their own product, and they don't want their engineers to use their product either. They want velocity, and you can't have velocity if you're bogged down by doing end-to-end testing and finding friction and whatnot.

1718627440 3mo ago
When they don't even want to try the thing, they are allegedly proud of, I would expect them to actually now, that the thing is garbage.
- coldtea 3mo ago
  They're proud of their quarterly results, not of the product, that they couldn't care less about. They're not Steve Jobs types. They're glorified bean counters.
  - danaris 3mo ago
    For many of them, the quarterly results are the product. Thanks to Milton Friedman, far too much of the manager class now believe that the end goal of their job is to make shareholders rich, and the fact that they have to do that by making a product or providing a service is something along the lines of a necessary evil.
    - zombot 3mo ago
      Agreed. And the most horrible thing is, if the numbers do go up, they can actually feel justified.
    - eejejq 3mo ago
      lol this is a half truth. Say I start a firm and I want to destroy the incumbent through innovation but can’t pay a very high wage - will the best people who are needed to compete and beat said incumbent forgo a lower salary for the mission? I don’t know. And that’s part of the problem - you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
      - danaris 3mo ago
        I think that all of us have spent too long living in a time of rising inequality. When you know that things are expensive compared to salaries, and that this is gradually getting worse, it's absolutely a natural and expected (though not universal) response to try to seek the best compensation you can obtain. If, on the other hand, you know that your compensation will be enough to ensure you have a good, solid standard of living, both now and into the foreseeable future, because wages are high compared to cost of living and the power of labor is strong, then it's going to be much, much more common for people to be willing to take that reduced overall pay in order to do work they feel is more meaningful.
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godelski 3mo ago
> They want velocity They keep using that word, but like so many words they use it's clear they don't know what it means. They're chasing speed, not velocity

1718627440 3mo ago

When they don't even want to try the thing, they are allegedly proud of, I would expect them to actually now, that the thing is garbage.

coldtea 3mo ago
They're proud of their quarterly results, not of the product, that they couldn't care less about. They're not Steve Jobs types. They're glorified bean counters.
- danaris 3mo ago
  For many of them, the quarterly results are the product. Thanks to Milton Friedman, far too much of the manager class now believe that the end goal of their job is to make shareholders rich, and the fact that they have to do that by making a product or providing a service is something along the lines of a necessary evil.
  - zombot 3mo ago
    Agreed. And the most horrible thing is, if the numbers do go up, they can actually feel justified.
  - eejejq 3mo ago
    lol this is a half truth. Say I start a firm and I want to destroy the incumbent through innovation but can’t pay a very high wage - will the best people who are needed to compete and beat said incumbent forgo a lower salary for the mission? I don’t know. And that’s part of the problem - you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
    - danaris 3mo ago
      I think that all of us have spent too long living in a time of rising inequality. When you know that things are expensive compared to salaries, and that this is gradually getting worse, it's absolutely a natural and expected (though not universal) response to try to seek the best compensation you can obtain. If, on the other hand, you know that your compensation will be enough to ensure you have a good, solid standard of living, both now and into the foreseeable future, because wages are high compared to cost of living and the power of labor is strong, then it's going to be much, much more common for people to be willing to take that reduced overall pay in order to do work they feel is more meaningful.
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godelski 3mo ago

> They want velocity They keep using that word, but like so many words they use it's clear they don't know what it means. They're chasing speed, not velocity