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Hey! That's exactly what lobbyists against regulations would say!
by monegator 4mo ago
Hey! That's exactly what lobbyists against regulations would say!
- walletdrainer 4mo ago[flagged]
- Der_Einzige 4mo agoThis but unironically
- infinite_spin 4mo ago> absurd to the point of being actively malicious No, it's not, and this is why you were called a shill .. not merely due to a disagreement, but due to you actively portraying your opposition as malicious, while you actively describe multi-billion dollar corporations as just people trying to "pay their rent and feed their children by selling games" Deeply dishonest indeed.
- walletdrainer 4mo ago> but due to you actively portraying your opposition as malicious It's extremely difficult to see how the statement quoted below is not fairly characterized as malicious >The industry should only be allowed to comment after the laws have been written and fulfill the goals of European citizens. If the opposition simply seeks to silence you, rather than to argue against you, how are they not malicious?
- SpaceNugget 4mo agoYou seem to be arguing under the presupposition that there are two equal entities, industry lobbies and everyone else, and somehow that division of viewpoints gets equal consideration from the governing body. The other person is arguing that those two entities are not equal and should not have equal weight in affecting the decisions of the European commission. Calling them malicious for having a different view of the _purpose_ of the commission is kind of wrong (it's independent of being malicious), and from the outside just makes you look dishonest.
- walletdrainer 4mo ago[flagged]
- SpaceNugget 4mo ago> Why are you attributing this to me Because you wrote: > If the opposition simply seeks to silence you, rather than to argue against you, how are they not malicious? in response to: > The industry should only be allowed to comment after the laws have been written and fulfill the goals of European citizens. Where it's clear from your framing of an "opposition trying to silence you" that you think the industry lobby has at least some right to be heard before the council votes on policy. Which is something the statement you are replying to clearly doesn't agree with. And rather than accept that there is a disagreement of the purpose of the council or the acceptability of industry lobbyists influencing law or what not, you just frame it as a moral evil (maliciousness) on the part of the other commenter. A good faith reading of the comment you replied to has so many non-malicious interpretations. Side note: if your comment implies something hard enough (intentionally or not) that multiple people are "windmill-tilting" against something that you think you aren't saying, it deserves some reflection on whether you may have miscommunicated your point.
- l23k4 4mo ago> Where it's clear from your framing of an "opposition trying to silence you" that you think the industry lobby has at least some right to be heard before the council votes on policy This is an inherent feature of democracy. "The industry" consists entirely of people, of course you can't exclude them. >A good faith reading of the comment you replied to has so many non-malicious interpretations. "Let's not allow rich people to participate in the political process" has just as many possible non-malicious interpretations as "Let's not allow black people to participate in the political process". i.e. none And even above I'm steelmanning by assuming that Frieren didn't want to also exclude indie developers.
- sillysaurusx 4mo agoThe person you replied to isn’t the same person that was called a shill, by the way.
- kaycey2022 4mo ago[flagged]
- skotobaza 4mo ago> SKG people are mostly immature and tend to overreact How so? What's immature about the desire to keep games functional?
- joxdosba 4mo agoI suppose the charitable interpretation is that those who would invest considerable time campaigning for this are deeply into gaming, which is an activity typically associated with younger people. There’s also the fact that through events like Gamergate, the term “gamer” has become highly charged and is not something most adults would want to be associated with.
- skotobaza 4mo agoThat's an interesting point of view. For me, people who advocate for preservation are usually older because they remember the times when you could just buy games and they would keep working forever. While younger people were born into the world where online games is the norm so they don't expect everything to last long.
- fvdessen 4mo agoYour mindset is why we got rid out of nuclear energy. Nuclear lobby bad, consumer lobby good. Consumer lobby didn't care that what they wanted was impossible (risk free free, carbon free, cheap energy) and angrily demanded by law things the industry couldn't provide, and got nothing as a result. It might very well be the case for this gaming law as well, that the result would have been less games in Europe as game producer would avoid a market that makes unprofitable demands.
- s1artibartfast 4mo agoSkG is a lobbyist too!