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European "institutional" projects are always so brain fucked... If you look "how to apply they say": We've kept the application form short so as not to wast
by greatgib 4mo ago
European "institutional" projects are always so brain fucked...
If you look "how to apply they say":
We've kept the application form short so as not to waste your time.
They you see the form...
https://nlnet.nl/propose/ https://nlnet.nl/propose/
ok, getting thousands of euros deserve a little bit of paperwork, but let's not call that form "short".
But what triggered me is the following field of the form:
Which model did you use? What did you use it for? Please submit the dates of the prompts, the prompts themselves and the unedited output in this text field.
Then you can see the "AI" policy that is attached:
https://nlnet.nl/foundation/policies/generativeAI/ https://nlnet.nl/foundation/policies/generativeAI/
And in my modest opinion, that is another perfect example of the bureaucratic stupidity nightmare.
I would understand to ask details about your intended usage of LLMs for the project. Also to ensure that LLMs is only used as an assisting tool but not to do the work autonomously.
But imagine listing the "dates" and "prompts" that you used, for example to ask the llm to correct your badly written sentences to fill the stupid fields of their form?
And then, recording every time you used a LLM (coding or not) for whatever for the project... Assuming that the recipient of the grant will not lie anyway.
This record doesn't give any proof that the code is not "stolen", "copied", or "contaminated".
Just have the delivery evaluated. Independently or by the project receiving the change. Judge on results for once instead of getting orgasms based on the paperwork trail.
In the end, why should we care if the author had to use a LLM, a code editor, a spreadsheet, a marabout, or whatever else? If we can confirm that the result is there, in satisfactory condition (clean and safe code, good performance, ...) and without apparent "copyright violation".
- a2128 4mo agoI think the point of funding this stuff is not just to produce projects but also invest in the people building them, and to encourage a more resilient and open internet. So it seems entirely understandable if they'd want to prioritize funding people developing skills to understand and work with certain technologies, over funding people who will mainly send the money to some foreign AI giant for an AI that at any point may be taken away (see Anthropic Fable 5 export restrictions), get some specific use case suddenly restricted or quietly sabotaged (see Anthropic Fable 5 on LLM development), or get its price hiked beyond what's viable for an open-source project. Also, the prompts and dates is for writing the grant proposal itself, and not for coding. Maybe they receive too many AI generated proposals. It feels rather rude anyway to be asking for 5,000 to 50,000 euros funding for your project if you can't even fill in the six free-form fields yourself.
- greatgib 4mo agoThat's the point that is the worse for me to ask that "for writing the grant itself"... I don't see why it ,would be rude. Only if the proposal is of bad quality!
- nairboon 4mo agoThese grants are for humans writing good old-fashioned free software. If you're looking for someone sponsoring llm-tokens, then NLnet is not the right place.