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I don't like to see them anywhere. They were cool for a while back in version 1.0 when there were a few that everyone knew and used in creative ways, before App

I don't like to see them anywhere. They were cool for a while back in version 1.0 when there were a few that everyone knew and used in creative ways, before Apple* decided to make so many that you need a search bar. It's kinda like Pokémon. At this point I only get them in text messages from old people. * yeah I know technically the Unicode Consortium, but Apple pushed it hard

stouset 5mo ago
Emoji (and their predecessor, emoticons) are IMO the greatest new feature for written language that has happened in generations. Eschewing them is certainly a choice you can make, but I personally think it's a poor one. Authors can now bundle emotional sentiment in text communication. Not being able to do this in the past was usually just an annoyance but could occasionally turn out to be extremely problematic. Countless miscommunications have occurred due to recipients not correctly interpreting an author's tone, and we now have a tool that can help reduce or potentially eliminate those misunderstandings. It's early days, so we're still seeing teething issues: different emoji sets conveying subtly different cues and evolving social norms around their use. But they have incredible potential.
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- hollerith 5mo ago
  And yet you are here, a site completely devoid of emoji.
  - stouset 5mo ago
    Because the social norms of this place currently discourage it. I also don’t use contractions in formal writing settings. Does that make them bad?
    - hollerith 5mo ago
      I think the site owner actively filters them out and has been doing so ever since you joined this site in 2011. But no matter the reason for the complete lack of emoji, the fact that you like this site enough to participate here is evidence that emoji don't actually improve public discussion as much as you think they would. There are many many sites on which you could have chosen to participate where emoji are common and can be used freely.
      - stouset 5mo ago
        You choose to participate here instead of having face-to-face conversations. Does that mean that face-to-face discussions aren't useful? I walk on sidewalks where cars are prohibited. Does that mean that cars aren't useful? I drive on highways where pedestrians are prohibited. Does that mean walking isn't useful? Whatever point you're trying to make, this is an extremely ineffective argument for it. You’re in “checkmate, atheists” territory here.
        mannykannot 5mo ago
        > You choose to participate here instead of having face-to-face conversations. Nothing about the comment you are replying to implies an abstinence from face-to-face conversations, and the suggestion is not very plausible.
        stouset 5mo ago
        It seems you understand my point.
        mannykannot 5mo ago
        I take your point, as demonstrated here, that even straightforward written language can be completely misunderstood, and that emoji might help alleviate that, though how they could help in the particular case here is not clear to me.
- frollogaston 5mo ago
  We already had that ;) Again emoji 1.0 was good. You can convey what you need with a small subset of that even. But even if modern computers were limited to emoji 1.0, I suspect they'd have been equally spammed to the point of losing meaning anyway.
- 3eb7988a1663 5mo ago
  However, the lack of standardization between platforms causes its own miscommunication. Some of the icons between Apple and Google can be interpreted in significantly different ways. There is also the pistol[0] which depending on the platform is a water gun or revolver. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_emoji https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_emoji
  - frollogaston 5mo ago
    Well Apple emojis are de facto standard, the rest follow. Even the stupid water gun.
  - stouset 5mo ago
    I explicitly called out different emoji sets conveying subtly different meanings.
- mannykannot 5mo ago
  If only Keats or Plath had emoji!
  - stouset 5mo ago
    People surely thought a similar sentiment about spaces between words and punctuation.
    - mannykannot 5mo ago
      Anyone claiming those developments enabled the expression of something previously inexpressible would have been mistaken.
Auracle 5mo ago
You know, I would actually use little Pokemon sprite emojis, unlike the real thing.

stouset 5mo ago

Emoji (and their predecessor, emoticons) are IMO the greatest new feature for written language that has happened in generations. Eschewing them is certainly a choice you can make, but I personally think it's a poor one. Authors can now bundle emotional sentiment in text communication. Not being able to do this in the past was usually just an annoyance but could occasionally turn out to be extremely problematic. Countless miscommunications have occurred due to recipients not correctly interpreting an author's tone, and we now have a tool that can help reduce or potentially eliminate those misunderstandings. It's early days, so we're still seeing teething issues: different emoji sets conveying subtly different cues and evolving social norms around their use. But they have incredible potential.

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hollerith 5mo ago
And yet you are here, a site completely devoid of emoji.
- stouset 5mo ago
  Because the social norms of this place currently discourage it. I also don’t use contractions in formal writing settings. Does that make them bad?
  - hollerith 5mo ago
    I think the site owner actively filters them out and has been doing so ever since you joined this site in 2011. But no matter the reason for the complete lack of emoji, the fact that you like this site enough to participate here is evidence that emoji don't actually improve public discussion as much as you think they would. There are many many sites on which you could have chosen to participate where emoji are common and can be used freely.
    - stouset 5mo ago
      You choose to participate here instead of having face-to-face conversations. Does that mean that face-to-face discussions aren't useful? I walk on sidewalks where cars are prohibited. Does that mean that cars aren't useful? I drive on highways where pedestrians are prohibited. Does that mean walking isn't useful? Whatever point you're trying to make, this is an extremely ineffective argument for it. You’re in “checkmate, atheists” territory here.
      - mannykannot 5mo ago
        > You choose to participate here instead of having face-to-face conversations. Nothing about the comment you are replying to implies an abstinence from face-to-face conversations, and the suggestion is not very plausible.
        stouset 5mo ago
        It seems you understand my point.
        mannykannot 5mo ago
        I take your point, as demonstrated here, that even straightforward written language can be completely misunderstood, and that emoji might help alleviate that, though how they could help in the particular case here is not clear to me.
frollogaston 5mo ago
We already had that ;) Again emoji 1.0 was good. You can convey what you need with a small subset of that even. But even if modern computers were limited to emoji 1.0, I suspect they'd have been equally spammed to the point of losing meaning anyway.
3eb7988a1663 5mo ago
However, the lack of standardization between platforms causes its own miscommunication. Some of the icons between Apple and Google can be interpreted in significantly different ways. There is also the pistol[0] which depending on the platform is a water gun or revolver. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_emoji https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_emoji
- frollogaston 5mo ago
  Well Apple emojis are de facto standard, the rest follow. Even the stupid water gun.
- stouset 5mo ago
  I explicitly called out different emoji sets conveying subtly different meanings.
mannykannot 5mo ago
If only Keats or Plath had emoji!
- stouset 5mo ago
  People surely thought a similar sentiment about spaces between words and punctuation.
  - mannykannot 5mo ago
    Anyone claiming those developments enabled the expression of something previously inexpressible would have been mistaken.

Auracle 5mo ago

You know, I would actually use little Pokemon sprite emojis, unlike the real thing.