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That Motorola phone that lets you install Graphene can not come soon enough. Pixel phones are not sold worldwide so it feels like they're gatekeeping security.
by phreack 4mo ago
That Motorola phone that lets you install Graphene can not come soon enough. Pixel phones are not sold worldwide so it feels like they're gatekeeping security. I know that's not the case really, but there's very few ways to successfully degoogle otherwise.
- okanat 4mo agoAFAIK Motorola only lets certain geographical regions to unlock bootloader, not everywhere.
- tom_alexander 4mo agoThey're referring to the partnership between GrapheneOS and Motorola: https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/ https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at...
- okanat 4mo agoI'm aware. However, it is quite possible that they will only sell Graphene phones in certain countries considering their past behavior.
- tiagod 4mo agoThey could also just sell the phones with GrapheneOS already, as the final state of a GrapheneOS instalation has a locked bootloader. I understand this is part of the reason only Pixel phones are supported - the ability to unlock, and then relock bootloader after install is seen as essential by their team, among other features and properties that only present together in the Pixel phones.
- matheusmoreira 4mo ago> Pixel phones are not sold worldwide Still boggles my mind the fact Google doesn't sell their phones worldwide. Obtaining a Pixel has proven to be quite difficult for me.
- dakolli 4mo agoIt still boggles my mind that the most popular privacy OS requires Google manufactured hardware, that fact alone makes me not trust it at all.
- WD-42 4mo agoPhone hardware is a hellscape it doesn’t surprise me at all that they need to keep the number of supported devices small in order to deliver a decent product.
- lern_too_spel 4mo agoDespite Google's other failings, it was the OG supporter of data portability, and that spirit extends to its phones. No other phone manufacturer with wide distribution comes close. It's unfortunate that the people who design the hardware do such a poor job with the resources at their disposal.
- sharts 4mo agoIs it still the case that Android backups leave much to be desired when compared to iphone? Pretty much the only reason I use Apple is that I can switch to a replacement phone and it’s exactly the same state as the last backup.
- mvdtnz 4mo agoIt's ridiculous is what it is. It makes me deeply distrustful of the organisation behind Graphene that they would make such a crazy choice.
- digitalPhonix 4mo agoThe intersection of phones that have unlockable bootloaders, public-ish driver blobs and decent hardware is tiny. What other phone would you pick?
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- NamlchakKhandro 4mo agoThis is a thing now https://volla.online/en/operating-systems/volla-os/ https://volla.online/en/operating-systems/volla-os/
- lucb1e 4mo agoI don't see anything they offer for security that's not also in AOSP/LineageOS/eOS/stock/etc. Which is not to say that's not enough for most people, but why highlight them? It doesn't seem comparable to the laser-focus GrapheneOS has on security
- d3Xt3r 4mo agoNot GP, but Volla phones are cool in that they officially support running proper Linux[1], so you could just use Linux instead of Android if that's enough for your needs. And you can still boot into their de-Googled Android if you need to run Android apps. [1] https://volla.online/en/operating-systems/ubuntu-touch/ https://volla.online/en/operating-systems/ubuntu-touch/
- microtonal 4mo agoVolla just Eurowashes/rebadges other low to midrange phones at a huge markup. E.g., the Volla Phone Quintus is: https://www.amazon.ae/Android-Smartphone-Storage-Octa-Core-Monetization/dp/B0DDYDZC4V/ https://www.amazon.ae/Android-Smartphone-Storage-Octa-Core-M... (If you don't believe it from the identical specs and design, you can look at the committers in their kernel trees and it is basically maintained by Daria people.) Their new Plinius model is just the Gigaset GS6 with a 250 Euro markup: https://www.gigaset.com/gigaset-gs6/ https://www.gigaset.com/gigaset-gs6/ At least this is made by a German company, though Gigset is Chinese-owned now. At any rate, these are just rebadged phones and IIRC, but don't hold me to it, in both cases the original phones also support bootloader unlocking.
- d3Xt3r 4mo agoIt takes more than an unlocked bootloader to make Linux boot on random phones and work properly (and ensuring all the radios, camera, audio, phone calls etc work), and Volla have achieved that with their phones. I could be wrong, but I don't think it was possible to get a fully functional Linux distro going on any of these rebadged phones before Volla got to them.
- xvedejas 4mo agoI just moved away from GrapheneOS to Motorola because I decided I needed an audio jack again. There's definitely some annoying things about leaving, but at least now I can use again the three apps that didn't work for me on GrapheneOS...
- ccppurcell 4mo agoWhich phone and is it android then? Maybe I'm out of the loop on Motorola. I just bought a pixel, thinking of trying graphene. I was a bit miffed about the lack of jack until my partner pointed out I hadn't used the one on my old phone for over a year. I'd like to in the future though.
- xvedejas 4mo agomoto g 2026; yes it's Android. Main downside is the relative lack of RAM honestly.
- StingyJelly 4mo agoI use usb-c dac and it is honestly fine. you can get one with charging bypass and keep that one with the charger
- xvedejas 4mo agoI've gone through about 5 USB-C adapters which eventually broke inexplicably. They also have extra noise in the audio when the volume is low for some reason.
- timedude 4mo agoWhich apps didnt work?
- xvedejas 4mo agoWaymo, Philz coffee, Partiful