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I have ten gigabits throughout most of my house, and you're right: copper is not happy pushing ten gigs. My 10 gigabit thunderbolt dongle weighs about a pound,

by tombert 4mo ago

I have ten gigabits throughout most of my house, and you're right: copper is not happy pushing ten gigs. My 10 gigabit thunderbolt dongle weighs about a pound, and I think 90+% of that weight is just heatsink. If I've had it plugged in for awhile, if I accidentally touch that dongle it actually hurts because it's so hot. I cannot image that much heat is good for, well, anything. I have another Thunderbolt dongle that has an SFP+ module, so I ran a fiber line from my switch to my computer, and that runs considerably cooler. That's what I use nowadays.

myrandomcomment 4mo ago
What standard of cable? When I rewired I ran Cat6a everywhere. My longest 10G run is ~70 meters and works just fine. Anytime I had a link issue it was because I did not do the best job in termination on the keystone jack. To be clear the Cat6a is thicker than Cat6 and harder to work with. It makes termination a bit more tricky.
- tombert 4mo ago
  I use Cat 8. The cables themselves don't get too hot, but the dongles themselves seem to get really hot. I'm assuming that's a known issue given the size of the heatsinks on them.
  - andwur 4mo ago
    Unfortunately that's non-DAC copper cabling life it seems. They build them to work at the rated speed at the maximum rated distance (on the transceiver, not the spec) and none of them appear to link train to reduce the power output over shorter runs. If you use a DAC they usually run cool, and optical is even cooler.
    - chadgpt3 4mo ago
      DAC should be the coolest but it's only for very short distances.
Fnoord 4mo ago
> I have ten gigabits throughout most of my house, and you're right: copper is not happy pushing ten gigs. DACs are copper, and they're happy. > I have another Thunderbolt dongle that has an SFP+ module, so I ran a fiber line from my switch to my computer, and that runs considerably cooler. That's what I use nowadays. This is also what I am doing, and I love it. Much better and more reliable than WLAN. I want as much wired as possible. However... recently, Realtek released several products adding cheap, affordable, low-power 10 gbit SFP+ and PCIe copper (even certain for routers/switches, too). STH did reviews: they're performing. Specific chipset are: RTL8127, RTL8127AP (servers, with management), RTL8127ATF (fiber, no 10/100 mbit)), RTL8127AT (idem, but copper), RTL8159 (USB-C), RTL8261C (SFP+ copper, and media converter). See the examples here: [1]. I've already seen various been selling since ~December on AliExpress, especially copper RTL8127 variants (back then, even one RTL 10 gbit PCIe SFP+ variant). There appears to be one caveat: macOS isn't supported, Windows and Linux are. I get the case for PoE, but PoE is apparently not as power-friendly as using a dedicated charger. I do find it much more elegant though. Edit: I'd like to add that I've been having good success with Aquantia AQC100S which I use in my desktop (running Linux, and using a SFP+ for 10 gbit fiber), as well as a Sonnet TB3 (to SFP+ for 10 gbit fiber, running macOS M1 MBP). Both don't get hot, don't use a lot of power, and the connections saturate. Mind you, it is important to specifically go for the AQC100S and not the AQC107 or AQC113 which are both much more common. Both use more power. Because I got good success with these, and my router is sporting a X710 4 port SFP+ NIC (which could be more efficient, to be fair, but it is what it is) I am no longer interested myself in any alternatives. I'm settled. [1] https://www.techpowerup.com/337113/realtek-to-bring-affordable-10-gbps-ethernet-to-the-masses-later-this-year https://www.techpowerup.com/337113/realtek-to-bring-affordab...
- ploek 4mo ago
  > DACs are copper, and they're happy. Yeah, but DACs are pretty short and tend to have much thicker cables than regular copper Ethernet.
- jiveturkey 4mo ago
  > DACs are copper, and they're happy. Well come on. GP really means category cable (twisted pair copper) is not happy at 10Gb distribution lengths (so-called horizontal cabling, although in a home it may span multiple floors without IDFs). That's kind of obvious context. DACs are not category cable; they are twinax, short, and bulky.

by tombert 4mo ago

myrandomcomment 4mo ago

What standard of cable? When I rewired I ran Cat6a everywhere. My longest 10G run is ~70 meters and works just fine. Anytime I had a link issue it was because I did not do the best job in termination on the keystone jack. To be clear the Cat6a is thicker than Cat6 and harder to work with. It makes termination a bit more tricky.

tombert 4mo ago
I use Cat 8. The cables themselves don't get too hot, but the dongles themselves seem to get really hot. I'm assuming that's a known issue given the size of the heatsinks on them.
- andwur 4mo ago
  Unfortunately that's non-DAC copper cabling life it seems. They build them to work at the rated speed at the maximum rated distance (on the transceiver, not the spec) and none of them appear to link train to reduce the power output over shorter runs. If you use a DAC they usually run cool, and optical is even cooler.
  - chadgpt3 4mo ago
    DAC should be the coolest but it's only for very short distances.

Fnoord 4mo ago

> I have ten gigabits throughout most of my house, and you're right: copper is not happy pushing ten gigs. DACs are copper, and they're happy. > I have another Thunderbolt dongle that has an SFP+ module, so I ran a fiber line from my switch to my computer, and that runs considerably cooler. That's what I use nowadays. This is also what I am doing, and I love it. Much better and more reliable than WLAN. I want as much wired as possible. However... recently, Realtek released several products adding cheap, affordable, low-power 10 gbit SFP+ and PCIe copper (even certain for routers/switches, too). STH did reviews: they're performing. Specific chipset are: RTL8127, RTL8127AP (servers, with management), RTL8127ATF (fiber, no 10/100 mbit)), RTL8127AT (idem, but copper), RTL8159 (USB-C), RTL8261C (SFP+ copper, and media converter). See the examples here: [1]. I've already seen various been selling since ~December on AliExpress, especially copper RTL8127 variants (back then, even one RTL 10 gbit PCIe SFP+ variant). There appears to be one caveat: macOS isn't supported, Windows and Linux are. I get the case for PoE, but PoE is apparently not as power-friendly as using a dedicated charger. I do find it much more elegant though. Edit: I'd like to add that I've been having good success with Aquantia AQC100S which I use in my desktop (running Linux, and using a SFP+ for 10 gbit fiber), as well as a Sonnet TB3 (to SFP+ for 10 gbit fiber, running macOS M1 MBP). Both don't get hot, don't use a lot of power, and the connections saturate. Mind you, it is important to specifically go for the AQC100S and not the AQC107 or AQC113 which are both much more common. Both use more power. Because I got good success with these, and my router is sporting a X710 4 port SFP+ NIC (which could be more efficient, to be fair, but it is what it is) I am no longer interested myself in any alternatives. I'm settled. [1] https://www.techpowerup.com/337113/realtek-to-bring-affordable-10-gbps-ethernet-to-the-masses-later-this-year https://www.techpowerup.com/337113/realtek-to-bring-affordab...

ploek 4mo ago
> DACs are copper, and they're happy. Yeah, but DACs are pretty short and tend to have much thicker cables than regular copper Ethernet.
jiveturkey 4mo ago
> DACs are copper, and they're happy. Well come on. GP really means category cable (twisted pair copper) is not happy at 10Gb distribution lengths (so-called horizontal cabling, although in a home it may span multiple floors without IDFs). That's kind of obvious context. DACs are not category cable; they are twinax, short, and bulky.