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> show ID if pulled over [Whren v. United States] Not what it establishes. https://www.oyez.org/cases/1995/95-5841 https://www.oyez.org/cases/1995/95-5841 > y

> show ID if pulled over [Whren v. United States] Not what it establishes. https://www.oyez.org/cases/1995/95-5841 https://www.oyez.org/cases/1995/95-5841 > your passenger is required to show his or her ID [Brendlin v. California (2007) & Arizona v. Johnson (2009)] Not what Brendlin establishes (https://www.oyez.org/cases/2006/06-8120 https://www.oyez.org/cases/2006/06-8120) nor Johnson (https://www.oyez.org/cases/2008/07-1122 https://www.oyez.org/cases/2008/07-1122). Passengers in a vehicle aren't even required to have a license. There's no requirement for citizens to carry papers in the US. (They may be required to give their name, but not carry ID.) > you must exist the vehicle if asked to do so [Pennsylvania v. Mimms (1977) (for drivers) Only because "officers had stopped Mimms for a legitimate reason and, upon observing [a] bulge in his jacket" (https://www.oyez.org/cases/1977/76-1830 https://www.oyez.org/cases/1977/76-1830) > Maryland v. Wilson (1997) (for passengers)] Similarly, if the stop is legitimate. (https://www.oyez.org/cases/1996/95-1268 https://www.oyez.org/cases/1996/95-1268)

alwa 5mo ago
Don’t those cases establish that police may, within the bounds of the fourth amendment, detain both the driver and any passengers; which then triggers requirements under other state laws allowing police to compel detained people to identify themselves? E.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes ?
- ceejayoz 5mo ago
  As that link indicates, not every state has such a thing. States can; not every state does. (And "identify" isn't necessarily the same as "show ID". It's legal to not have any form of ID in the US whatsoever - this comes up with voter ID discussion a lot - and those folks are still allowed to ride in a car.)
- mothballed 5mo ago
  It gets even weirder because at least in same states it is ruled if a crime has an age component then once again you can't be forced to reveal ID (which would betray your age) and incriminate yourself even if driving. And then in some states you're required to answer questions unrelated to your identity like if you're carrying a weapon (unless you can't have weapons, in which case you'd be incriminating yourself and then again you don't have to answer). Not legal advice.

alwa 5mo ago

Don’t those cases establish that police may, within the bounds of the fourth amendment, detain both the driver and any passengers; which then triggers requirements under other state laws allowing police to compel detained people to identify themselves? E.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes ?

ceejayoz 5mo ago
As that link indicates, not every state has such a thing. States can; not every state does. (And "identify" isn't necessarily the same as "show ID". It's legal to not have any form of ID in the US whatsoever - this comes up with voter ID discussion a lot - and those folks are still allowed to ride in a car.)
mothballed 5mo ago
It gets even weirder because at least in same states it is ruled if a crime has an age component then once again you can't be forced to reveal ID (which would betray your age) and incriminate yourself even if driving. And then in some states you're required to answer questions unrelated to your identity like if you're carrying a weapon (unless you can't have weapons, in which case you'd be incriminating yourself and then again you don't have to answer). Not legal advice.