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Or buy a nice Swiss automatic in the 1-2000 range.

by dionian 4mo ago

maratc 4mo ago
Or a $300 Seagull 1963 (the Chinese bought the rights, the design, and the machines.)
- GordonS 4mo ago
  Those look really nice (love the moon phase indicator that some of them have too!), but the "red star" motif on the watch face does put me off.
NoSalt 4mo ago
Do you have any good recommendations for me?
- maratc 4mo ago
  Good starting points for first Swiss mechanical are Tissot, Hamilton, Mido, or Certina. They all belong to the same conglomerate (the Swatch Group). The "gateway drug" these days seems to be Tissot PRX. Their quartz models are about half the price of their mechanical ones.
  - Tsiklon 4mo ago
    I just grabbed a Tissot Gentleman 38mm as my first Swiss machine. Same movement but a little smaller, and in my opinion a more handsome case
    - maratc 4mo ago
      The Gentleman is a great starter watch, enjoy!
- 10729287 4mo ago
  Go for the second hand speedmaster from a reputable seller. This is the one you want and will eventually buy. If you really want to know more than you should about the watch, get the moonwatch only book. This is the bible that will help you to check everything from every version ever of the myth. Even if you don’t buy at the end, if you’re a geek I can assure you you’ll dig the content. The movements in those Tissot watches are crap, you’d be better get a serviced vintage in the 500-700 euros range than those glorified fashion watches in my opinion.
  - maratc 4mo ago
    > The movements in those Tissot watches are crap Interestingly, if you'd like to see a really cool site that showcases how these crap Tissot movements work, just click the link at the top of this page. (The Powermatic 80 movement in the entry-level Tissot models is a modified version of ETA 2824 which Ciechanowski is showing on his site.)
    - 10729287 4mo ago
      Well, crap was maybe too strong of a word but they're nothing to write home about and not very precise (–4 to +10 seconds). OP seems attached to historical value, and if you ask me there's more interesting vintage watches to buy for that money, and some watches that will hold their value and aesthetics way more than PRX, which is all the rage now and will probably get old pretty fast.
      - maratc 4mo ago
        > nothing to write home about and not very precise A work-horse is neither a show-horse nor a race-horse.
        10729287 4mo ago
        Is it reliable enough to be a work-horse ? Not sure it's even serviceable.
- silisili 4mo ago
  Huge fan of anything with the Powermatic 80. Mine gains about 3 seconds per day. I wear a Rado but I believe both Tissot and Hamilton also offer this movement.

Or buy a nice Swiss automatic in the 1-2000 range.

by dionian 4mo ago

Or buy a nice Swiss automatic in the 1-2000 range.

maratc 4mo ago

Or a $300 Seagull 1963 (the Chinese bought the rights, the design, and the machines.)

GordonS 4mo ago
Those look really nice (love the moon phase indicator that some of them have too!), but the "red star" motif on the watch face does put me off.

NoSalt 4mo ago

Do you have any good recommendations for me?

maratc 4mo ago
Good starting points for first Swiss mechanical are Tissot, Hamilton, Mido, or Certina. They all belong to the same conglomerate (the Swatch Group). The "gateway drug" these days seems to be Tissot PRX. Their quartz models are about half the price of their mechanical ones.
- Tsiklon 4mo ago
  I just grabbed a Tissot Gentleman 38mm as my first Swiss machine. Same movement but a little smaller, and in my opinion a more handsome case
  - maratc 4mo ago
    The Gentleman is a great starter watch, enjoy!
10729287 4mo ago
Go for the second hand speedmaster from a reputable seller. This is the one you want and will eventually buy. If you really want to know more than you should about the watch, get the moonwatch only book. This is the bible that will help you to check everything from every version ever of the myth. Even if you don’t buy at the end, if you’re a geek I can assure you you’ll dig the content. The movements in those Tissot watches are crap, you’d be better get a serviced vintage in the 500-700 euros range than those glorified fashion watches in my opinion.
- maratc 4mo ago
  > The movements in those Tissot watches are crap Interestingly, if you'd like to see a really cool site that showcases how these crap Tissot movements work, just click the link at the top of this page. (The Powermatic 80 movement in the entry-level Tissot models is a modified version of ETA 2824 which Ciechanowski is showing on his site.)
  - 10729287 4mo ago
    Well, crap was maybe too strong of a word but they're nothing to write home about and not very precise (–4 to +10 seconds). OP seems attached to historical value, and if you ask me there's more interesting vintage watches to buy for that money, and some watches that will hold their value and aesthetics way more than PRX, which is all the rage now and will probably get old pretty fast.
    - maratc 4mo ago
      > nothing to write home about and not very precise A work-horse is neither a show-horse nor a race-horse.
      - 10729287 4mo ago
        Is it reliable enough to be a work-horse ? Not sure it's even serviceable.
silisili 4mo ago
Huge fan of anything with the Powermatic 80. Mine gains about 3 seconds per day. I wear a Rado but I believe both Tissot and Hamilton also offer this movement.