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You might be trolling, but I like Schrödingers definition of life: living things avoid decay into equilibrium. Inference engines are trying to converge any inp

You might be trolling, but I like Schrödingers definition of life: living things avoid decay into equilibrium. Inference engines are trying to converge any input to a certain limit, and I presume that's close enough to an equilibrium to not count as living thing.

calf 4mo ago
I am no troll, and I hate to look like one when, to the appeal of Schrodinger, I am forced to remember that announcement this month about Claude or something acting in self-preservation when threatened during testing.
- whilenot-dev 4mo ago
  Do you have a link to that announcement? I wouldn't like to debate a process handling the SIGTERM signal, or a container engine applying some restart policy.
- wrasee 4mo ago
  But, how is that different to any of its other output? I am sure there are many references to concepts of self-preservation in its training set that models will mimic just like all other concepts in its training set.
  - pheaded_while9 4mo ago
    If we are still following Schroedinger, this imbues humanity with the ability to train non-life into life, not that thing being not alive. Not that I do or am, just going by GP's criteria.
- MSFT_Edging 4mo ago
  > Claude or something acting in self-preservation That was an Ad. An Ad in the same style of many before it. Not through an ad agency, but the AI companies hyping their product by making their product seem scary and dangerous.
  - pheaded_while9 4mo ago
    Does the press being an ad constitute the same thing as the information being false? If I advertize that my gun is dangerous, does the medium impact the truth value?
    - whilenot-dev 4mo ago
      The medium is the message[0] might be of your interest. I personally wouldn't expect absolute truth in any advertisements or company statements, so some information are certain to be false, yes. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message
    - MSFT_Edging 4mo ago
      Being an ad you need to consider the purpose behind the ad, and what exaggerations may be being made for the ad. IE a Ram truck won't make you a manly cowboy with just the purchase.

calf 4mo ago

I am no troll, and I hate to look like one when, to the appeal of Schrodinger, I am forced to remember that announcement this month about Claude or something acting in self-preservation when threatened during testing.

whilenot-dev 4mo ago
Do you have a link to that announcement? I wouldn't like to debate a process handling the SIGTERM signal, or a container engine applying some restart policy.
wrasee 4mo ago
But, how is that different to any of its other output? I am sure there are many references to concepts of self-preservation in its training set that models will mimic just like all other concepts in its training set.
- pheaded_while9 4mo ago
  If we are still following Schroedinger, this imbues humanity with the ability to train non-life into life, not that thing being not alive. Not that I do or am, just going by GP's criteria.
MSFT_Edging 4mo ago
> Claude or something acting in self-preservation That was an Ad. An Ad in the same style of many before it. Not through an ad agency, but the AI companies hyping their product by making their product seem scary and dangerous.
- pheaded_while9 4mo ago
  Does the press being an ad constitute the same thing as the information being false? If I advertize that my gun is dangerous, does the medium impact the truth value?
  - whilenot-dev 4mo ago
    The medium is the message[0] might be of your interest. I personally wouldn't expect absolute truth in any advertisements or company statements, so some information are certain to be false, yes. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message
  - MSFT_Edging 4mo ago
    Being an ad you need to consider the purpose behind the ad, and what exaggerations may be being made for the ad. IE a Ram truck won't make you a manly cowboy with just the purchase.