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I think a serious news institution would not run this title even in an Opinions section.

by casey2 4mo ago

whynotmaybe 4mo ago
In today's world where nuance is a disappearing diaphanous concept, the USA didn't win, so they lost.
- ballsac 4mo ago
  Nuance has nothing to do with it. If you start a war and you don’t win, then you lose.
  - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
    > If you start a war and you don’t win, then you lose This is reductive. One can absolutely stalemate. Regardless of whether you start a war, if it ends with you worse off and the other party either where they were at the start or arguably better off, you lost. If all that happened was the Strait was reopened, I'd call it a stalemate. The fact that Tehran got reparations equal to a third of a trillion dollars–over $800 from every American and $1,100 from each and every voter–makes it an Irania victory and American defeat.
enoint 4mo ago
Why? The only question left is what humiliation awaits the USA in return for its blood, treasure and reputation?
wavemode 4mo ago
"America has lost" seems to be a matter of plain fact rather than opinion. What singular goal of this Iran invasion was achieved? It seems the US has gained literally nothing in this war, meanwhile causing trillions in global economic damage. It vaguely sounds as though there is some sort of nuclear deal in the works ... but the US already had a nuclear deal with Iran, that Trump tore up. So I guess you could squint and say that the US won something back that was previously foolishly discarded.
mdp2021 4mo ago
> ### Trump’s Iran Truce Has the Hallmarks of Defeat ### (Bloomberg - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-06-15/iran-us-peace-deal-trump-s-iran-truce-has-the-hallmarks-of-defeat https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-06-15/iran-u...) Does this answer your note? (That's Bloomberg above - "phrase it as you want...")
ulfw 4mo ago
Everyone says the same because they are speaking the simple truth. Trump Celebrates While America Capitulates The peace deal with Tehran is an Iranian victory. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/06/trump-iran-deal/687547/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/06/trump-iran-deal/68...
rsynnott 4mo ago
I mean, it’d be very hard to spin it as a win.

I think a serious news institution would not run this title even in an Opinions section.

by casey2 4mo ago

I think a serious news institution would not run this title even in an Opinions section.

whynotmaybe 4mo ago

In today's world where nuance is a disappearing diaphanous concept, the USA didn't win, so they lost.

ballsac 4mo ago
Nuance has nothing to do with it. If you start a war and you don’t win, then you lose.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  > If you start a war and you don’t win, then you lose This is reductive. One can absolutely stalemate. Regardless of whether you start a war, if it ends with you worse off and the other party either where they were at the start or arguably better off, you lost. If all that happened was the Strait was reopened, I'd call it a stalemate. The fact that Tehran got reparations equal to a third of a trillion dollars–over $800 from every American and $1,100 from each and every voter–makes it an Irania victory and American defeat.

enoint 4mo ago

Why? The only question left is what humiliation awaits the USA in return for its blood, treasure and reputation?

wavemode 4mo ago

"America has lost" seems to be a matter of plain fact rather than opinion. What singular goal of this Iran invasion was achieved? It seems the US has gained literally nothing in this war, meanwhile causing trillions in global economic damage. It vaguely sounds as though there is some sort of nuclear deal in the works ... but the US already had a nuclear deal with Iran, that Trump tore up. So I guess you could squint and say that the US won something back that was previously foolishly discarded.

mdp2021 4mo ago

> ### Trump’s Iran Truce Has the Hallmarks of Defeat ### (Bloomberg - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-06-15/iran-us-peace-deal-trump-s-iran-truce-has-the-hallmarks-of-defeat https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-06-15/iran-u...) Does this answer your note? (That's Bloomberg above - "phrase it as you want...")

ulfw 4mo ago

Everyone says the same because they are speaking the simple truth. Trump Celebrates While America Capitulates The peace deal with Tehran is an Iranian victory. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/06/trump-iran-deal/687547/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/06/trump-iran-deal/68...

rsynnott 4mo ago

I mean, it’d be very hard to spin it as a win.