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How many kWh monthly? Let's say your overall rate is $0.50/kWh, that would put you at 1500kWh per month. Which is....high. Even if your rate were $1/kWh, 750kW

How many kWh monthly? Let's say your overall rate is $0.50/kWh, that would put you at 1500kWh per month. Which is....high. Even if your rate were $1/kWh, 750kWh would be a decent amount of juice for a region with an overall mild climate. The EIA[0] says the typical annual electricity consumption for homes in "the West" (ie not just California) is 8525kWh/year, or 710kWh/month. [0] https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/use-of-energy/electricity-use-in-homes.php https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/use-of-energy/electricit...

jjav 4mo ago
> Let's say your overall rate is $0.50/kWh It's way higher than that with PG&E. My PG&E bill tends to be around $500/mo and I run basically nothing out of the basics. Never turn on the A/C. Tiny house, normal usage of fridge, lights and the usual househould gadgets like washer/dryer. Near the coast so climate is cool, if we lived in the hot areas and had to run A/C I imagine it would be double at least. The profound corruption of PG&E is an existential risk to California and Silicon Valley.
- 3eb7988a1663 4mo ago
  A kWh measurement would be handy. List rates for PG&E are (at the high end) ~$0.50/kWh. Sure with fees and such, I can see it higher, but throwing out a real number would be useful for the conversation on what goes into a $500 bill. There are also tiers if you are a higher consumer - all of which is hard to deduce with just a vague total bill value.
- plorkyeran 4mo ago
  The top-end rate with PG&E is not way higher than $0.50/kWh. If you're paying $500/month with no AC and no homelab or whatever then you have something else sucking up vast amounts of power and you should spend some time with a killawatt measuring your appliances.
  - jjav 4mo ago
    > The top-end rate with PG&E is not way higher than $0.50/kWh. This is from a recent PG&E bill from my house: Peak pricing: 0.48575 delivery + 0.14920 generation = $0.635 kWh So yes that's pretty much higher than $0.50 kWh It seems to have gone down a bit this year though. These are the numbers from 2024: Peak pricing: 0.53 + 0.183 = $0.71 kWh Note that peak is 4pm to midnight, so basically all the electricity-using hours one usually would be at home if working regular hours at the office (like we do). Off-peak is a bit cheaper but we're either sleeping or out of the house so not very helpful.

jjav 4mo ago

> Let's say your overall rate is $0.50/kWh It's way higher than that with PG&E. My PG&E bill tends to be around $500/mo and I run basically nothing out of the basics. Never turn on the A/C. Tiny house, normal usage of fridge, lights and the usual househould gadgets like washer/dryer. Near the coast so climate is cool, if we lived in the hot areas and had to run A/C I imagine it would be double at least. The profound corruption of PG&E is an existential risk to California and Silicon Valley.

3eb7988a1663 4mo ago
A kWh measurement would be handy. List rates for PG&E are (at the high end) ~$0.50/kWh. Sure with fees and such, I can see it higher, but throwing out a real number would be useful for the conversation on what goes into a $500 bill. There are also tiers if you are a higher consumer - all of which is hard to deduce with just a vague total bill value.
plorkyeran 4mo ago
The top-end rate with PG&E is not way higher than $0.50/kWh. If you're paying $500/month with no AC and no homelab or whatever then you have something else sucking up vast amounts of power and you should spend some time with a killawatt measuring your appliances.
- jjav 4mo ago
  > The top-end rate with PG&E is not way higher than $0.50/kWh. This is from a recent PG&E bill from my house: Peak pricing: 0.48575 delivery + 0.14920 generation = $0.635 kWh So yes that's pretty much higher than $0.50 kWh It seems to have gone down a bit this year though. These are the numbers from 2024: Peak pricing: 0.53 + 0.183 = $0.71 kWh Note that peak is 4pm to midnight, so basically all the electricity-using hours one usually would be at home if working regular hours at the office (like we do). Off-peak is a bit cheaper but we're either sleeping or out of the house so not very helpful.