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I'm surprised there are banned books with 1st amendment exists in America? I'm curious as to what these are. I think its rather silly that books can be banned.

gustavus 4mo ago
You would be correct there are no "banned books" in America. When people say "banned book" they mean that a certain level of government such as a school board or municipality has "banned" them from being in a public (often school) library. But the headline "In [state I disagree with] they are banning books that have [ideas I agree with]" makes a lot more headlines and clicks. Then people run with the phrase "banned books" to make things sound worse than they are.
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- iberator 4mo ago
  Each state is part of the USA, and each state DOES ban some books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_banning_in_the_United_States_(2021%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_banning_in_the_United_Sta... USA is ultra conservative on the average in comparison to just any European state for example.
  - baggy_trough 4mo ago
    The point is that those books aren't actually banned for general access. They may not be present in a school library, but you can certainly get them on Amazon.
  - unselect5917 4mo ago
    Relying on the ultra mainstream wikipedia for a banned book would be hilarious if it weren't so deeply disappointing. They'll list nothing interesting.
  - aikinai 4mo ago
    None of those books are banned.
  - imgabe 4mo ago
    > USA is ultra conservative on the average in comparison to just any European state for example. Are you serious? The UK and Germany are arresting people for social media posts. That is actual impingement of free speech.
  - frollogaston 4mo ago
    European countries ban plenty of books, and I actually mean ban.
BuyMyBitcoins 4mo ago
Whenever I encounter some news article regarding “banned” books I dig a little deeper and typically discover that some library or elementary school simply put an age restriction on those titles. I’ll grant that some of the restrictions seem overprotective. That being said, a parent could easily check out one of those books for their child.
wiml 4mo ago
There's a certain amount of censorship of classified information published by (ex-)military, and that kind of thing, but it can be and is challenged in court. Purely obscene material is also not protected by the 1st, but since the 1970s, the bar for that has been placed very, very high. The closest I can think of offhand is that for about a year during the pandemic, Twitter suppressed gratuitous COVID misinformation posts, at the request of the government.
- mothballed 4mo ago
  Jordan Derrick (Ashley Dugan) recently had a youtube video on making RDX pulled and criminally charged with "distribution of explosives information to terrorists" for publicly sharing the public domain patented/documented synthesis (going back to a German patent all the way in the 19th century IIRC) of RDX explosives and denied bail for "hate speech" of using the Israeli flag as a doormat (which was actually in the indictment).
wopwops 4mo ago
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carlosjobim 4mo ago
It's not different than McDonald's and Burger King being banned in Germany. The evidence is that they don't serve it for school lunches. Is that a weird argument? That's the same way people argue that books are "banned" in America.
BigTTYGothGF 4mo ago
There might not currently be but that hasn't always been the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_in_Boston https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_in_Boston and the obscenity laws are still in place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Diana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Diana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscenity_Prosecution_Task_Force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscenity_Prosecution_Task_For...

gustavus 4mo ago

You would be correct there are no "banned books" in America. When people say "banned book" they mean that a certain level of government such as a school board or municipality has "banned" them from being in a public (often school) library. But the headline "In [state I disagree with] they are banning books that have [ideas I agree with]" makes a lot more headlines and clicks. Then people run with the phrase "banned books" to make things sound worse than they are.

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iberator 4mo ago
Each state is part of the USA, and each state DOES ban some books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_banning_in_the_United_States_(2021%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_banning_in_the_United_Sta... USA is ultra conservative on the average in comparison to just any European state for example.
- baggy_trough 4mo ago
  The point is that those books aren't actually banned for general access. They may not be present in a school library, but you can certainly get them on Amazon.
- unselect5917 4mo ago
  Relying on the ultra mainstream wikipedia for a banned book would be hilarious if it weren't so deeply disappointing. They'll list nothing interesting.
- aikinai 4mo ago
  None of those books are banned.
- imgabe 4mo ago
  > USA is ultra conservative on the average in comparison to just any European state for example. Are you serious? The UK and Germany are arresting people for social media posts. That is actual impingement of free speech.
- frollogaston 4mo ago
  European countries ban plenty of books, and I actually mean ban.

BuyMyBitcoins 4mo ago

Whenever I encounter some news article regarding “banned” books I dig a little deeper and typically discover that some library or elementary school simply put an age restriction on those titles. I’ll grant that some of the restrictions seem overprotective. That being said, a parent could easily check out one of those books for their child.

wiml 4mo ago

There's a certain amount of censorship of classified information published by (ex-)military, and that kind of thing, but it can be and is challenged in court. Purely obscene material is also not protected by the 1st, but since the 1970s, the bar for that has been placed very, very high. The closest I can think of offhand is that for about a year during the pandemic, Twitter suppressed gratuitous COVID misinformation posts, at the request of the government.

mothballed 4mo ago
Jordan Derrick (Ashley Dugan) recently had a youtube video on making RDX pulled and criminally charged with "distribution of explosives information to terrorists" for publicly sharing the public domain patented/documented synthesis (going back to a German patent all the way in the 19th century IIRC) of RDX explosives and denied bail for "hate speech" of using the Israeli flag as a doormat (which was actually in the indictment).

wopwops 4mo ago

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carlosjobim 4mo ago

It's not different than McDonald's and Burger King being banned in Germany. The evidence is that they don't serve it for school lunches. Is that a weird argument? That's the same way people argue that books are "banned" in America.

BigTTYGothGF 4mo ago

There might not currently be but that hasn't always been the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_in_Boston https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_in_Boston and the obscenity laws are still in place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Diana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Diana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscenity_Prosecution_Task_Force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscenity_Prosecution_Task_For...