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Not a conspiracy theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas A lot of shady stuff h

Not a conspiracy theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas A lot of shady stuff happens in the region. This is one of them and certainly something to be aware of. > Do you think the KGB wants to support palestinians? Or muslims? Do you think China does? Do you think Iran wants to support Sunni religious nutcases? How do they treat those in Iran? Why is it that every pro Israel comment is full of unrelated questions? My answer to all of these is: I don't care in this context.

spwa4 4mo ago
> Why is it that every pro Israel comment is full of unrelated questions? My answer to all of these is: I don't care in this context. In other words, you're antisemitic. You don't care of a great many states that they have very bad intentions towards everyone, including Palestinians, you only care for conspiracy theories that say Jews do this too.
- karmakurtisaani 4mo ago
  No. That was the topic of discussion, so let's stick to that. Edit: see, you already managed to derail the conversation AND call me an antisemite. Good job.
  - spwa4 4mo ago
    > see, you already managed to derail the conversation AND call me an antisemite Yes, the point was that you're only willing to discuss what Israel does wrong, and a conspiracy theory at that (yes, there's a core of truth. Yes, Israel protected Palestinian organizations from the PLA, including hamas. Dozens of them. No, Netanyahu did not arm hamas). How Israel can be blamed for everything. No other comments allowed! The point is that when it comes to conspiracies, Palestinian organizations are supported clandestinely by foreign state actors with insincere and very bad motives (a hidden agenda if you will). Now THAT is a conspiracy. An actual, real, bona fide conspiracy. And with all the traditional horrible actors that you cannot in a million years imagine wanting to help anyone but themselves: Russia, China, the Qatarese royal family, Iran, ... None of them remotely care about the fate of sunni muslim nutcases like hamas, in fact most of these actors want to physically harm them. From massacring them (that's what Iran does), "reeducate" them, massacre them AND force them to fight wars ... that is what Palestinian supporters do to people they have control over that are similar to Palestinians. That is what this thread is supposed to be about. Why are these actors causing the Israel-Palestine issue? You see the problem here? The worst possible thing that could happen to Palestinians, by far, is that they would achieve anything at all. That would cause their "supporters" to do to them what they always do. If Iran militarily controlled Palestine we would just hear "the military moved" (that's how the BBC reported it) and there was nobody left alive after prayers in 15 mosques, like Iran did in Zahedan and surroundings.
    - karmakurtisaani 4mo ago
      Man, you produce these long word salads and call me names (at least you edited out the part where you called me an antisemite a second time), while also directing the conversation in multiple tangentially related directions. Very hesitant to engage in any of that.
      - spwa4 4mo ago
        Uhuh. Likely story. Desperate to change the subject while still wanting to win the argument, that's what's going on.
        karmakurtisaani 4mo ago
        To be frank, from your first message I knew there was no winning with you. Seen it so many times. It gets old.
        spwa4 4mo ago
        What gets old in your kinds of arguments is the constant diversion of focus away from Palestinians, what they do and the reasons, the agency behind it. Because arguments like yours fall to pieces even touching that festering pool of filth. THAT gets old. Really old.
        karmakurtisaani 4mo ago
        > THAT gets old. Really old. Cool. So now you know not to respond when people point out how Israel supported Hamas to divide Palestinians. I guess we learned something in the end after all.
        bigyabai 4mo ago
        Nothing that karmakurtisaani said was antisemetic. They called out the link between Netanyahu and Hamas, and that caused you to go ballistic calling them names and demanding that they acknowledge your nonsequitur. If you're committed to hasbara, at least don't make it obvious. When you call people an antisemite, you undermine your own credibility and fall off of Paul Grahams hierarchy of disagreement.

spwa4 4mo ago

> Why is it that every pro Israel comment is full of unrelated questions? My answer to all of these is: I don't care in this context. In other words, you're antisemitic. You don't care of a great many states that they have very bad intentions towards everyone, including Palestinians, you only care for conspiracy theories that say Jews do this too.

karmakurtisaani 4mo ago
No. That was the topic of discussion, so let's stick to that. Edit: see, you already managed to derail the conversation AND call me an antisemite. Good job.
- spwa4 4mo ago
  > see, you already managed to derail the conversation AND call me an antisemite Yes, the point was that you're only willing to discuss what Israel does wrong, and a conspiracy theory at that (yes, there's a core of truth. Yes, Israel protected Palestinian organizations from the PLA, including hamas. Dozens of them. No, Netanyahu did not arm hamas). How Israel can be blamed for everything. No other comments allowed! The point is that when it comes to conspiracies, Palestinian organizations are supported clandestinely by foreign state actors with insincere and very bad motives (a hidden agenda if you will). Now THAT is a conspiracy. An actual, real, bona fide conspiracy. And with all the traditional horrible actors that you cannot in a million years imagine wanting to help anyone but themselves: Russia, China, the Qatarese royal family, Iran, ... None of them remotely care about the fate of sunni muslim nutcases like hamas, in fact most of these actors want to physically harm them. From massacring them (that's what Iran does), "reeducate" them, massacre them AND force them to fight wars ... that is what Palestinian supporters do to people they have control over that are similar to Palestinians. That is what this thread is supposed to be about. Why are these actors causing the Israel-Palestine issue? You see the problem here? The worst possible thing that could happen to Palestinians, by far, is that they would achieve anything at all. That would cause their "supporters" to do to them what they always do. If Iran militarily controlled Palestine we would just hear "the military moved" (that's how the BBC reported it) and there was nobody left alive after prayers in 15 mosques, like Iran did in Zahedan and surroundings.
  - karmakurtisaani 4mo ago
    Man, you produce these long word salads and call me names (at least you edited out the part where you called me an antisemite a second time), while also directing the conversation in multiple tangentially related directions. Very hesitant to engage in any of that.
    - spwa4 4mo ago
      Uhuh. Likely story. Desperate to change the subject while still wanting to win the argument, that's what's going on.
      - karmakurtisaani 4mo ago
        To be frank, from your first message I knew there was no winning with you. Seen it so many times. It gets old.
        spwa4 4mo ago
        What gets old in your kinds of arguments is the constant diversion of focus away from Palestinians, what they do and the reasons, the agency behind it. Because arguments like yours fall to pieces even touching that festering pool of filth. THAT gets old. Really old.
        karmakurtisaani 4mo ago
        > THAT gets old. Really old. Cool. So now you know not to respond when people point out how Israel supported Hamas to divide Palestinians. I guess we learned something in the end after all.
        bigyabai 4mo ago
        Nothing that karmakurtisaani said was antisemetic. They called out the link between Netanyahu and Hamas, and that caused you to go ballistic calling them names and demanding that they acknowledge your nonsequitur. If you're committed to hasbara, at least don't make it obvious. When you call people an antisemite, you undermine your own credibility and fall off of Paul Grahams hierarchy of disagreement.