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sails perpendicular to the wind for full power? my sailing experience is dated, but that does not seem to be right to me. Don't they want a lower angle of attac

sails perpendicular to the wind for full power? my sailing experience is dated, but that does not seem to be right to me. Don't they want a lower angle of attack? is this a specific of square sails? maybe I am not getting it in the docs Still, very fun!

tinywind 4mo ago
I’m not a sailor at all my I just demo’d this for my dad who is. He had similar feedback I need to sit down and do a sailing mechanics audit to find a good balance between arcade/realism, I think a beam reach is supposed to be faster than downwind. But my angle of attacks could be more accurate especially for upwind sailing? Here’s currently how tinywind does it if anyone’s curious: https://tinywind.io/wiki/sailing#point-of-sail https://tinywind.io/wiki/sailing#point-of-sail
- geor9e 4mo ago
  In irons should be a slightly negative number, since the wind drags the boat backwards at that point. Plus it will force the player to tack back and forth, which is a fun part of sailing. I bet A.I. can tell you the angle the sail ought to render at too (unless non-moving sail was part of the cartoon aesthetic)
  - tinywind 4mo ago
    I did that simply for arcadeyness and feel but I’m not married to it at all Giving the ship a slight constant forward moment felt nice and forgiving when testing, and user still has to tack back and forth to get meaningful enough speed to strafe a ship. But I’m definitely open to sliding the realism scale here
    - TylerE 4mo ago
      I would advise not putting "real wind physics" in the headline when that is not a promise you can deliver on. There's nothing wrong with arcade, but when you advertise "real physics" people like me are going to expect, well, "real physics".
      - tinywind 4mo ago
        Hi Tyler, realism and arcade-feel doesn’t have to be a binary thing. My big effort has been finding tasteful compromises to keep a “real” feel but still simple enough to not be frustrating and put away the game. Hope this helps! https://tinywind.io/wiki/sailing#point-of-sail https://tinywind.io/wiki/sailing#point-of-sail
        TylerE 4mo ago
        When you can sail. Square rigger directly into the wind, that’s 100% arcade. You are of course free to make your game however you want, but false advertising doesn’t help anyone.
        tinywind 4mo ago
        Actually thanks for the reminder! I’ll be adding “real wind physics” to my steam page, website header, and other marketing material. Thank you!
        TylerE 4mo ago
        Ok, now go you’re just being obnoxious. This is childish behavior and unbecoming. I hope you enjoy the bad reviews from people who expect something and don’t get it.
        tinywind 4mo ago
        Hi Tyler this game is in early alpha, we’re still changing physics and simulation dynamics week by week. This is not a final state. Unfortunately you’re not able to have a nuanced conversation and provide actual feedback unlike everyone else in this thread. Hope you have a good day!
        TylerE 4mo ago
        You aren’t interested in having a conversation, you’re just repeating the same dismissive thing over and over again and gaslighting people over what the word "real" means.
- foofoo55 4mo ago
  Have a look at these [1] polar diagrams for tall sailing ships. The radial distance from the center is the theoretical boat speed and the angle is the direction that the wind is hitting the boat, with zero on the nose and 180 from the stern. Each plotted line is the boat speed for a given wind speed. They show how the square-rigged ships can't sail upwind any closer than 55 degrees or so and are fastest on a broad reach (wind from just back of the side). You can also see how longer boats are generally faster, but a smaller boat with triangle sails ("Bermuda rigged") could easily get away from a big square-rigged ship by heading more upwind. [1] https://forum.zegluj.net/download/file.php?id=23628&mode=view https://forum.zegluj.net/download/file.php?id=23628&mode=vie...
  - mmooss 4mo ago
    Interesting for reasons unrelated to TinyWind: What are the numbers on the left edge, boat speed in knots? Also, from what place and time is the technology on which these diagrams are based? And what is this forum that unfortunately I can't read? Who made these diagrams?
  - tinywind 4mo ago
    This is really useful, thanks! I’ll be making a sailing realism pass next week and will try to update it to reflect the square rigging dynamics a little better

tinywind 4mo ago

I’m not a sailor at all my I just demo’d this for my dad who is. He had similar feedback I need to sit down and do a sailing mechanics audit to find a good balance between arcade/realism, I think a beam reach is supposed to be faster than downwind. But my angle of attacks could be more accurate especially for upwind sailing? Here’s currently how tinywind does it if anyone’s curious: https://tinywind.io/wiki/sailing#point-of-sail https://tinywind.io/wiki/sailing#point-of-sail

geor9e 4mo ago
In irons should be a slightly negative number, since the wind drags the boat backwards at that point. Plus it will force the player to tack back and forth, which is a fun part of sailing. I bet A.I. can tell you the angle the sail ought to render at too (unless non-moving sail was part of the cartoon aesthetic)
- tinywind 4mo ago
  I did that simply for arcadeyness and feel but I’m not married to it at all Giving the ship a slight constant forward moment felt nice and forgiving when testing, and user still has to tack back and forth to get meaningful enough speed to strafe a ship. But I’m definitely open to sliding the realism scale here
  - TylerE 4mo ago
    I would advise not putting "real wind physics" in the headline when that is not a promise you can deliver on. There's nothing wrong with arcade, but when you advertise "real physics" people like me are going to expect, well, "real physics".
    - tinywind 4mo ago
      Hi Tyler, realism and arcade-feel doesn’t have to be a binary thing. My big effort has been finding tasteful compromises to keep a “real” feel but still simple enough to not be frustrating and put away the game. Hope this helps! https://tinywind.io/wiki/sailing#point-of-sail https://tinywind.io/wiki/sailing#point-of-sail
      - TylerE 4mo ago
        When you can sail. Square rigger directly into the wind, that’s 100% arcade. You are of course free to make your game however you want, but false advertising doesn’t help anyone.
        tinywind 4mo ago
        Actually thanks for the reminder! I’ll be adding “real wind physics” to my steam page, website header, and other marketing material. Thank you!
        TylerE 4mo ago
        Ok, now go you’re just being obnoxious. This is childish behavior and unbecoming. I hope you enjoy the bad reviews from people who expect something and don’t get it.
        tinywind 4mo ago
        Hi Tyler this game is in early alpha, we’re still changing physics and simulation dynamics week by week. This is not a final state. Unfortunately you’re not able to have a nuanced conversation and provide actual feedback unlike everyone else in this thread. Hope you have a good day!
        TylerE 4mo ago
        You aren’t interested in having a conversation, you’re just repeating the same dismissive thing over and over again and gaslighting people over what the word "real" means.
foofoo55 4mo ago
Have a look at these [1] polar diagrams for tall sailing ships. The radial distance from the center is the theoretical boat speed and the angle is the direction that the wind is hitting the boat, with zero on the nose and 180 from the stern. Each plotted line is the boat speed for a given wind speed. They show how the square-rigged ships can't sail upwind any closer than 55 degrees or so and are fastest on a broad reach (wind from just back of the side). You can also see how longer boats are generally faster, but a smaller boat with triangle sails ("Bermuda rigged") could easily get away from a big square-rigged ship by heading more upwind. [1] https://forum.zegluj.net/download/file.php?id=23628&mode=view https://forum.zegluj.net/download/file.php?id=23628&mode=vie...
- mmooss 4mo ago
  Interesting for reasons unrelated to TinyWind: What are the numbers on the left edge, boat speed in knots? Also, from what place and time is the technology on which these diagrams are based? And what is this forum that unfortunately I can't read? Who made these diagrams?
- tinywind 4mo ago
  This is really useful, thanks! I’ll be making a sailing realism pass next week and will try to update it to reflect the square rigging dynamics a little better