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EU Air travellers to enjoy free cabin luggage and keep delay compensation

33 points by TechTechTech 4mo ago

weinzierl 4mo ago
What use is cabin luggage when for the cheaper tickets you are inevitably pressured to check it? This happens to me most of the time on short haul flights in Europe. They basically sell higher priced tickets with two items of cabin luggage and the lower price tier effectively turns into zero items.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  > when for the cheaper tickets you are inevitably pressured to check it? FTFA: “Passengers will now be entitled to both a free personal item measuring 40cm by 30cm by 15cm and a small wheeled item with a maximum total dimension of 100cm and a weight of up to 7kg.”
  - zamadatix 4mo ago
    GP is talking about how common it is for the "small wheeled item with a maximum total dimension of 100cm and a weight of up to 7kg" (i.e. cabin luggage) to be force checked at the gate.
    - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
      > GP is talking about how common it is Sure. This legislation directly addresses that. It creates a right where there previously wasn't one. A right which solves OP's problem.
      - zamadatix 4mo ago
        This seems to be focused on whether a cost can be charged for providing such services (opt-out vs opt-in for a base fare), not on guaranteeing actual in-cabin storage for such bags.
        JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
        > seems to be focused on whether a cost can be charged for providing such services (opt-out vs opt-in for a base fare), not on guaranteeing actual in-cabin storage for such bags I read "entitled" as granting a right. I've tried searching for the draft legal language, but am having no luck.
        zamadatix 4mo ago
        Being entitled does grant a right, it just doesn't redefine what the name of the service being offered means on its own. The second reading draft differences can be found here https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-7162-2026-INIT/en/pdf https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-7162-2026-I... (pages 116-117) and it locks in the existing process: > Article 11a Right to personal item and hand baggage ... > The hand baggage may be stored either in the aircraft cabin (as carry-on baggage) or in the aircraft hold. The carrier may refuse to allow the hand baggage on board only on grounds of security connected with the weight or size of the hand baggage in relation to the characteristics of the aircraft. Side note: Parts of the elided text even stop short of guaranteeing your personal item will actually make it to the cabin in all cases.
- zamadatix 4mo ago
  In the worst case cabin luggage still just becomes a cheaper checked bag (due to the size limits) for the trip.
kkwtflz 4mo ago
Maybe I’m reading the article wrong but if now you can opt out of cabin luggage for a cheaper price… what changed? I mean that’s the case already for Ryanair and co. Want bags? Pay more.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  > what changed? Opt out versus opt in. If most people pay for it, it should be included in the marketed price. (The ones airlines compete most aggressively on.)
- pvtmert 4mo ago
  Ryanair et.al. advertising minimums that are not including anything larger than a purse or a small laptop bag. When you go through the funnel, adding a cabin luggage (or anything basically) usually doubles/triples the price. Most of regular airlines include a proper cabin item up to 8kg. Furthermore, it is not possible to have a just cabin item option in Ryanair's booking website. It is always bundled with things like priority boarding (read: wait outside & standing longer while other people depart from the plane) Nevertheless, these practices are misleading. Hurts customers more, creates unnecessary complaints and bureaucracy as well. Because you can in fact pay a regular airline a reasonable price (40-60eur) and get the standard package (with cabin luggage) and get treated like a human being rather than a farm animal. (Btw adding cabin luggage bumps the ticket price 45-55 eur range in Ryanair's case. In a normal airline, you get a beverage & croissant for free while you must pay 5eur for 0.2L water in a Ryanair flight)
  - iknowstuff 4mo ago
    google flights etc could just have a working filter for total price including a carry-on. their current filter just shrugs and says "this flight might not have it". not sure this needs regulating
  - Paradigm2020 4mo ago
    Plenty of dark patterns on their website but it is 100% possible to just get the luggage rather than a bundle source: me on almost 70% of my ryanair flights.

33 points by TechTechTech 4mo ago

What use is cabin luggage when for the cheaper tickets you are inevitably pressured to check it? This happens to me most of the time on short haul flights in Europe. They basically sell higher priced tickets with two items of cabin luggage and the lower price tier effectively turns into zero items.

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
> when for the cheaper tickets you are inevitably pressured to check it? FTFA: “Passengers will now be entitled to both a free personal item measuring 40cm by 30cm by 15cm and a small wheeled item with a maximum total dimension of 100cm and a weight of up to 7kg.”
- zamadatix 4mo ago
  GP is talking about how common it is for the "small wheeled item with a maximum total dimension of 100cm and a weight of up to 7kg" (i.e. cabin luggage) to be force checked at the gate.
  - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
    > GP is talking about how common it is Sure. This legislation directly addresses that. It creates a right where there previously wasn't one. A right which solves OP's problem.
    - zamadatix 4mo ago
      This seems to be focused on whether a cost can be charged for providing such services (opt-out vs opt-in for a base fare), not on guaranteeing actual in-cabin storage for such bags.
      - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
        > seems to be focused on whether a cost can be charged for providing such services (opt-out vs opt-in for a base fare), not on guaranteeing actual in-cabin storage for such bags I read "entitled" as granting a right. I've tried searching for the draft legal language, but am having no luck.
        zamadatix 4mo ago
        Being entitled does grant a right, it just doesn't redefine what the name of the service being offered means on its own. The second reading draft differences can be found here https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-7162-2026-INIT/en/pdf https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-7162-2026-I... (pages 116-117) and it locks in the existing process: > Article 11a Right to personal item and hand baggage ... > The hand baggage may be stored either in the aircraft cabin (as carry-on baggage) or in the aircraft hold. The carrier may refuse to allow the hand baggage on board only on grounds of security connected with the weight or size of the hand baggage in relation to the characteristics of the aircraft. Side note: Parts of the elided text even stop short of guaranteeing your personal item will actually make it to the cabin in all cases.
zamadatix 4mo ago
In the worst case cabin luggage still just becomes a cheaper checked bag (due to the size limits) for the trip.

kkwtflz 4mo ago

Maybe I’m reading the article wrong but if now you can opt out of cabin luggage for a cheaper price… what changed? I mean that’s the case already for Ryanair and co. Want bags? Pay more.

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
> what changed? Opt out versus opt in. If most people pay for it, it should be included in the marketed price. (The ones airlines compete most aggressively on.)
pvtmert 4mo ago
Ryanair et.al. advertising minimums that are not including anything larger than a purse or a small laptop bag. When you go through the funnel, adding a cabin luggage (or anything basically) usually doubles/triples the price. Most of regular airlines include a proper cabin item up to 8kg. Furthermore, it is not possible to have a just cabin item option in Ryanair's booking website. It is always bundled with things like priority boarding (read: wait outside & standing longer while other people depart from the plane) Nevertheless, these practices are misleading. Hurts customers more, creates unnecessary complaints and bureaucracy as well. Because you can in fact pay a regular airline a reasonable price (40-60eur) and get the standard package (with cabin luggage) and get treated like a human being rather than a farm animal. (Btw adding cabin luggage bumps the ticket price 45-55 eur range in Ryanair's case. In a normal airline, you get a beverage & croissant for free while you must pay 5eur for 0.2L water in a Ryanair flight)
- iknowstuff 4mo ago
  google flights etc could just have a working filter for total price including a carry-on. their current filter just shrugs and says "this flight might not have it". not sure this needs regulating
- Paradigm2020 4mo ago
  Plenty of dark patterns on their website but it is 100% possible to just get the luggage rather than a bundle source: me on almost 70% of my ryanair flights.