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There can only be so many "I saved 10x by moving to Hetzner" posts before they pick up the value they were leaving on the table...
by yread 4mo ago
There can only be so many "I saved 10x by moving to Hetzner" posts before they pick up the value they were leaving on the table...
- ffsm8 4mo agoThe same will happen with the other providers. Hetzner just achieved their pricing by using commodity consumer hardware. This is now making them the canary, as they don't have the multi year business contacts the others have - so they're uniquely vulnerable to the current consumer hardware price increase. But the rest will follow, unless the bubble burst, which is unlikely to happen before the others increase their costs, too
- praseodym 4mo agoJust wait for the hyperscalers to follow suit
- speedgoose 4mo agoI moved to Scaleway one or two price upgrades ago. Be ready to see the same, but with OVH or Scaleway instead.
- TiredOfLife 4mo agoWhich plan? Because even with this hetzner price increase it's still 2-3x cheaper than scaleway.
- speedgoose 4mo agoThe bare metal dediboxes have better value I believe now.
- speedgoose 4mo agoNever mind, the good stuff is out of stock.
- miyuru 4mo agodidn't Scaleway also increase prices 1st of this month? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47944914 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47944914
- ethin 4mo agoProblem with Scaleway (for me) is physics. I get 200ms (at minimum) roundtrip latency to any of their EU servers (and for their dedicated offerings that can boot custom Linux distros that's pretty much all I have access to).
- roncesvalles 4mo agoIt was never the same quality though. A VM at AWS or GCP is not even remotely comparable to a VPS at some low-end provider. Things like RAID, network/powersupply redundancy, internal privacy controls (nothing stopping a VPS provider from snooping in your filesystem), software patch quality, noisy neighbor mitigation, bandwidth quality, SLAs etc. Then all the value-added stuff like Terraform support, logging, monitoring, IAM roles, instant scalability etc. Not to mention the benefits if you use the same cloud's managed services like databases. If I can get a same-spec EC2 instance at AWS for just 2x the price of a Hetzner box, I would never consider Hetzner. It had to be a "10x savings".
- auguzanellato 4mo agoHetzner has a decent terraform provider btw
- indigo945 4mo agoYes, but Hetzner is not "some low-end provider". They have proper, high-quality datacenters with all the redundancy you want, excellent connectivity, great service, and much better privacy controls than any American company would be legally able to provide. Hetzner also offers instant scalability and has Terraform and Ansible support for infrastructure automation. We have some VMs on Azure and some on Hetzner, and the latter have much better performance (especially since they give you basically infinite IOPS, which matters a lot for your database) and connectivity (especially lower latency). The large hyperscalers were ever only worth it if you need/want all the additional PaaS infrastructure they provide, like Lambda, SQS and so on.
- tda 4mo agoI literally migrated last week, and saved 8x by ditching AWS for Hetzner.
- theshrike79 4mo agoJust out of curiosity, which parts of AWS were you using? EC2 and something else? It's very simple to move when you're just using AWS as a source for VPS capacity, but when you've got lambda functions, S3, SQS, RDS and other nice acronyms in the mix the ditching becomes a lot harder to justify.
- stolsvik 4mo agoMy question to that is: Why do you? Why on earth do people want to tie themselves so hard to a specific mast?
- theshrike79 4mo agoWith AWS I can build the stack so that I don't need to wake up in the early hours on a Saturday to fix it. Someone at Amazon is already sweating and pulling crap off racks or reconfiguring a switch or restoring a database. At max I can go "yea, not our problem, it'll come back up when the intern at Amazon stops messing with the DNS again" on Slack, put the phone down and go back to sleep =) Running on bare metal VPS is only viable if you're: a) a startup with a true shoestring budget, you can get massive use out of a single mid-tier server auction server with everything on it web, backend and database AND you have someone in-house with the skills to do that. b) you're so big you can afford to hire a full rotation of SREs to manage your crap AND your devs / SREs are able to maintain Rabbit MQ, Postgres and whatever object storage you're using themselves - and someone Does The Math and calculates it's cheaper and the risks are manageable. In the middle there's AWS. You can run millions of revenue through AWS with maybe 2-3 people managing the backend infra. 99% of times when something breaks suddenly, it's up to Amazon to fix it.
- dbmnt 4mo agoBut more specifically why build a stack tied to a single vendor? You talk about competent SRE being hard to find and manage but then you describe needing several AWS backend specialists. I think I'd rather have a generalized SRE team with portable infrastructure. Maybe that's just me. I watched an org get burned by Google App Engine. I find these proprietary stacks to be a giant trap.