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by reagan83 4mo ago

pickleglitch 4mo ago
What's extreme about trying to live your values?
nixosbestos 4mo ago
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- godshatter 4mo ago
  This divide will never heal. I have no idea of how to get either side interested in the idea. I don't see a path to victory from any direction.
  - skilning 4mo ago
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    - whatthesmack 4mo ago
      There's no plurality on "the right" that holds the perspectives you're attributing to them. What you've stated is the pristine modern example of propaganda and is exactly why there is no healing.
      - deleted 4mo ago
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      - deathanatos 4mo ago
        Fine, "the right" is not a solid, well-defined group, and s/the right/the GOP/. What upthread wrote is practically the stated position of the GOP (as much as one can delineate the stated position, since the current platform is literally Trump-rambling style writing, complete with caps-lock style screaming…), and it's the political viewpoint, as best as one can determine, of basically all of the GOP's leadership. Insofar as the party stated that to be their platform via direct statement and the words & actions of their leader, and then set of people we might loosely refer to the collective set as "the right" proceeded to then vote for our current president, that vote becomes an endorsement of that platform. Sure, there might be someone on "the right" who doesn't hold that view, but we're in the exception-proves-the-rule territory, or more commonly it seems these days "the leopards are eating my face".
        baggachipz 4mo ago
        The closest thing "the right" has to an instruction book is Project 2025, and they've made a lot of progress in enacting their goals right under our noses. The constant distraction, misdirection, and seeming insanity is a feature, not a bug. We can't "heal" because _they don't want to heal_. They want to see their agenda to completion, which includes total domination and expulsion/extermination of their opponents, who they define.
        deathanatos 4mo ago
        I'm well aware of Project 2025, but given that the person above was trying to refute the right as a group with set goals, I wanted to stick closely to stances that the GOP doesn't deny is theirs. (Whereas with Project 2025, the GOP — falsely — denies that that's their stance.) But the GOP does also publish an official party platform, and that document, again, is pretty clear about stripping rights being a core part of the platform.
yndoendo 4mo ago
I don't see politics as left and right. To me they are in the shape of a Radar chart or Radial Column chart or Sunburst diagram. People in real life are multi-facet not singularly polar. People with agendas and grifters are polar. Polarization is also for those that want to be self-defined by a party. I also do not support news or other agencies that reject STEMM or use questions to mask direct lying.

pickleglitch 4mo ago

What's extreme about trying to live your values?

nixosbestos 4mo ago

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godshatter 4mo ago
This divide will never heal. I have no idea of how to get either side interested in the idea. I don't see a path to victory from any direction.
- skilning 4mo ago
  [flagged]
  - whatthesmack 4mo ago
    There's no plurality on "the right" that holds the perspectives you're attributing to them. What you've stated is the pristine modern example of propaganda and is exactly why there is no healing.
    - deleted 4mo ago
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    - deathanatos 4mo ago
      Fine, "the right" is not a solid, well-defined group, and s/the right/the GOP/. What upthread wrote is practically the stated position of the GOP (as much as one can delineate the stated position, since the current platform is literally Trump-rambling style writing, complete with caps-lock style screaming…), and it's the political viewpoint, as best as one can determine, of basically all of the GOP's leadership. Insofar as the party stated that to be their platform via direct statement and the words & actions of their leader, and then set of people we might loosely refer to the collective set as "the right" proceeded to then vote for our current president, that vote becomes an endorsement of that platform. Sure, there might be someone on "the right" who doesn't hold that view, but we're in the exception-proves-the-rule territory, or more commonly it seems these days "the leopards are eating my face".
      - baggachipz 4mo ago
        The closest thing "the right" has to an instruction book is Project 2025, and they've made a lot of progress in enacting their goals right under our noses. The constant distraction, misdirection, and seeming insanity is a feature, not a bug. We can't "heal" because _they don't want to heal_. They want to see their agenda to completion, which includes total domination and expulsion/extermination of their opponents, who they define.
        deathanatos 4mo ago
        I'm well aware of Project 2025, but given that the person above was trying to refute the right as a group with set goals, I wanted to stick closely to stances that the GOP doesn't deny is theirs. (Whereas with Project 2025, the GOP — falsely — denies that that's their stance.) But the GOP does also publish an official party platform, and that document, again, is pretty clear about stripping rights being a core part of the platform.

yndoendo 4mo ago

I don't see politics as left and right. To me they are in the shape of a Radar chart or Radial Column chart or Sunburst diagram. People in real life are multi-facet not singularly polar. People with agendas and grifters are polar. Polarization is also for those that want to be self-defined by a party. I also do not support news or other agencies that reject STEMM or use questions to mask direct lying.