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ActiveX, Alchemy, PNaCL,...

by pjmlp 5mo ago

genxy 5mo ago
JVM, Z-Machine, P-Code.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5mo ago
  I remember Java applets; when did z-machine and p-code make it to the browser?
  - DonHopkins 5mo ago
    Everything made it to the browser through emulation. UCSD Pascal: https://archive.org/details/UCSD_Pascal_1.1_1 https://archive.org/details/UCSD_Pascal_1.1_1 Wizardry: https://archive.org/details/WizardryProvingGrounds https://archive.org/details/WizardryProvingGrounds
- DonHopkins 5mo ago
  Woz's own Sweet 16 Dream Machine on the Integer Basic ROMS of the Apple II! ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWEET16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWEET16 https://techwithdave.davevw.com/2024/05/running-sweet-16-steve-wozniaks-dream.html https://techwithdave.davevw.com/2024/05/running-sweet-16-ste...
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casey2 5mo ago
Saying ActiveX here shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what both WASM and ActiveX are. Is ActiveX platform independent? No. it's exclusive to windows. Is it sandboxed? Nope, digital signing and prayer, does it implement a virtual machine? Nope. Compromises out the wazoo? efficiency, data orientation, or predictable performance? You betcha. ActiveX is closer to a DOM sandbox escape exploit than a real piece of engineering. Why do we need WASM when we've have GET since 1990? Don't confuse the map for the territory, implementation details matter, just labeling something "Mars Colonial Transporter" doesn't mean it actually flew to mars.
- pjmlp 5mo ago
  What is a fundamental misunderstanding is selling WebAssembly as the first time bleeding Web and native code has been achieved. All those "look Python on the browser!" were already done by ActiveState with Perl, Python and Tcl.
pajko 5mo ago
Besides ActiveX, old (<9) Internet Explorer supported VML (Vector Markup Language), which was neither supported by anything else, nor widespread. It could be made dynamic with the help of JavaScript, and the only dynamic example I could remember was an analog clock.

ActiveX, Alchemy, PNaCL,...

by pjmlp 5mo ago

ActiveX, Alchemy, PNaCL,...

genxy 5mo ago

JVM, Z-Machine, P-Code.

yjftsjthsd-h 5mo ago
I remember Java applets; when did z-machine and p-code make it to the browser?
- DonHopkins 5mo ago
  Everything made it to the browser through emulation. UCSD Pascal: https://archive.org/details/UCSD_Pascal_1.1_1 https://archive.org/details/UCSD_Pascal_1.1_1 Wizardry: https://archive.org/details/WizardryProvingGrounds https://archive.org/details/WizardryProvingGrounds
DonHopkins 5mo ago
Woz's own Sweet 16 Dream Machine on the Integer Basic ROMS of the Apple II! ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWEET16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWEET16 https://techwithdave.davevw.com/2024/05/running-sweet-16-steve-wozniaks-dream.html https://techwithdave.davevw.com/2024/05/running-sweet-16-ste...
- deleted 5mo ago
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casey2 5mo ago

Saying ActiveX here shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what both WASM and ActiveX are. Is ActiveX platform independent? No. it's exclusive to windows. Is it sandboxed? Nope, digital signing and prayer, does it implement a virtual machine? Nope. Compromises out the wazoo? efficiency, data orientation, or predictable performance? You betcha. ActiveX is closer to a DOM sandbox escape exploit than a real piece of engineering. Why do we need WASM when we've have GET since 1990? Don't confuse the map for the territory, implementation details matter, just labeling something "Mars Colonial Transporter" doesn't mean it actually flew to mars.

pjmlp 5mo ago
What is a fundamental misunderstanding is selling WebAssembly as the first time bleeding Web and native code has been achieved. All those "look Python on the browser!" were already done by ActiveState with Perl, Python and Tcl.

pajko 5mo ago

Besides ActiveX, old (<9) Internet Explorer supported VML (Vector Markup Language), which was neither supported by anything else, nor widespread. It could be made dynamic with the help of JavaScript, and the only dynamic example I could remember was an analog clock.