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Over long distances the string will sag in the middle. That's one of the reasons (not the only reason) construction uses lasers today.

gacgacgac 4mo ago
Folded paper won't?
- josefx 4mo ago
  Folded paper has some structure, so not as much?
- boothby 4mo ago
  If anybody has ever tried folding a very large paper (or, bedsheets, tarps, etc), they'll realize the wisdom of this comment. Our intuition from folding paper on the order of several to tens of centimetres does not scale to arbitrary size and precision. Paper is relatively rigid, but its rigidity is finite and ensuring local-to-global flatness becomes a painstaking endeavour.
  - srean 4mo ago
    Then there is the puzzle of coming up with folds to intentionally increase the rigidity of the surface. Essentially, using Theorema Pizzarium
boothby 4mo ago
It depends what you need that line for -- if you're projecting onto a wall, that sag matters. If you're projecting onto the ground, it doesn't.
rolph 4mo ago
yeah its pretty hard to get new help to pull hard without fear of breaking the tool, coincidentally the beam width of a laser will increase over long distance, similar to line slack sagging over long distance.
- dotancohen 4mo ago
  The DeWalt that I've been using recently had a bright green line pencil thin, in the sun, easily ten meters from the device. That's far enough to do an entire patio - ten meters in each direction. I don't know about longer needs, such as sidewalks, but for building construction the DeWalt was excellent. I've never tried other brands.
  - rolph 4mo ago
    the really serious guys use GPS based equipment, and its serious stuff, being able to center up on a 1/64 inch brad tacked into the asphalt. [that 50,000$ ufo on a tripod by the highway, dont try to steal one, man do they ever know exactly where they are] yeah i like team yellow too :) the beam spread is what you want to check out if your serious about > 100 ft distance https://www.gpsalaska.com/ https://www.gpsalaska.com/ ^ this is a very commercial website, but example of higher end equipment and technique
    - srean 4mo ago
      How do you calibrate the GPS
      - rolph 4mo ago
        there is a sattelite network, and a terrestrial reference station infra
        srean 4mo ago
        Yeah but how do we know there distances accurately
        rolph 4mo ago
        usually laser ranging is used to establish a baseline, rather than using a theodolite and chain like OG surveyors. the rest is trigonometry, withe the GPSS defining points relative to the baseline. https://www.gps.gov/trilateration https://www.gps.gov/trilateration https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/html/tr/ADA165932/index.html https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/html/tr/ADA165932/index.html https://app.studyraid.com/en/read/15241/528230/determining-distances-with-triangulation https://app.studyraid.com/en/read/15241/528230/determining-d...

gacgacgac 4mo ago

Folded paper won't?

josefx 4mo ago
Folded paper has some structure, so not as much?
boothby 4mo ago
If anybody has ever tried folding a very large paper (or, bedsheets, tarps, etc), they'll realize the wisdom of this comment. Our intuition from folding paper on the order of several to tens of centimetres does not scale to arbitrary size and precision. Paper is relatively rigid, but its rigidity is finite and ensuring local-to-global flatness becomes a painstaking endeavour.
- srean 4mo ago
  Then there is the puzzle of coming up with folds to intentionally increase the rigidity of the surface. Essentially, using Theorema Pizzarium

boothby 4mo ago

It depends what you need that line for -- if you're projecting onto a wall, that sag matters. If you're projecting onto the ground, it doesn't.

rolph 4mo ago

yeah its pretty hard to get new help to pull hard without fear of breaking the tool, coincidentally the beam width of a laser will increase over long distance, similar to line slack sagging over long distance.

dotancohen 4mo ago
The DeWalt that I've been using recently had a bright green line pencil thin, in the sun, easily ten meters from the device. That's far enough to do an entire patio - ten meters in each direction. I don't know about longer needs, such as sidewalks, but for building construction the DeWalt was excellent. I've never tried other brands.
- rolph 4mo ago
  the really serious guys use GPS based equipment, and its serious stuff, being able to center up on a 1/64 inch brad tacked into the asphalt. [that 50,000$ ufo on a tripod by the highway, dont try to steal one, man do they ever know exactly where they are] yeah i like team yellow too :) the beam spread is what you want to check out if your serious about > 100 ft distance https://www.gpsalaska.com/ https://www.gpsalaska.com/ ^ this is a very commercial website, but example of higher end equipment and technique
  - srean 4mo ago
    How do you calibrate the GPS
    - rolph 4mo ago
      there is a sattelite network, and a terrestrial reference station infra
      - srean 4mo ago
        Yeah but how do we know there distances accurately
        rolph 4mo ago
        usually laser ranging is used to establish a baseline, rather than using a theodolite and chain like OG surveyors. the rest is trigonometry, withe the GPSS defining points relative to the baseline. https://www.gps.gov/trilateration https://www.gps.gov/trilateration https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/html/tr/ADA165932/index.html https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/html/tr/ADA165932/index.html https://app.studyraid.com/en/read/15241/528230/determining-distances-with-triangulation https://app.studyraid.com/en/read/15241/528230/determining-d...