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Countries should be competing for the best immigrants, not closing their doors. Don't mistake what the elites want with what working class people want. Elites

Countries should be competing for the best immigrants, not closing their doors. Don't mistake what the elites want with what working class people want. Elites want a higher population - even if they're immigrants - so the market grows bigger for their businesses. But immigrants come with many problems for the working class people. The elites aren't going to have a house next to immigrants. They don't feel the effects in their castle. Anyways, this change is to target only the best immigrants. There are still ways for them to immigrate to Japan. This change just closes the loophole for lower quality immigrants.

mmooss 4mo ago
> a house next to immigrants This assumes there is something wrong with immigrants. I've lived next to many immigrants. Almost everyone in the US is an immigrant or decended from them. The problem is the hateful - they destroy the society and neighborhood. > lower quality Humans are not lower or higher quality - except arguably those acting on hate, who damage the social contract of liberty.
- aurareturn 4mo ago
  I'm explaining why Japan is doing this. A lot of people don't understand why Japan would do this when their population is already declining. It's because to the working class, a declining population isn't the most pressing issue. In fact, some of them may even want that because it means more resources to everyone else. Mass importing immigrants causes many issues for locals. Anyone who denies this is simply virtue signaling. To businesses and governments, a declining population means lower market size and lower tax income. They're incentivized to want a larger population - sometimes by any means necessary. And no, you can't mass import high quality immigrants because high quality immigrants have options and generally don't want to move to a country that isn't their culture or speak their own language. You will always end up with lower quality immigrants from the 3rd world.
  - mmooss 4mo ago
    > Anyone who denies this is simply virtue signaling. Dismissing other opinions in words but not arguments is vacuous. Fabricating and attacking their motives is more evidence (not fabrication) that the argument is nothing but bias plastered over with empty words. So is the parroting of the talking points of some social tide. > quality Human beings are not low quality or high quality - and especially not based on your preference or personal benefit - and economics and history clearly show the benefit of more people with freedom and opportunity, including to the people gaining freedom and opportunity. They are as important as, and have as much 'quality' as you - otherwise, you are not important either.
    - aurareturn 4mo ago
      Dismissing other opinions in words but not arguments is vacuous. Meanwhile, you dismissed the will of Japanese people as "hateful" for not wanting more immigrants.
      - mmooss 4mo ago
        More of the standard rhetoric. It's like an algorithm generating these comments or an LLM. It just responds with copypasta without even knowing what I said.
  - ElProlactin 4mo ago
    I'm sorry but you're spewing a lot of misinformation here. Japan's relationship with immigration is complex but what you're talking about really has nothing to do with the business manager visa. Japan continues to "import" larger and larger numbers of foreign workers to do jobs that it doesn't have enough native-born workers to perform. Think factory workers, nurses, truck drivers, retail. The problem with the business manager visa was that it was being abused by people who weren't actually running real businesses in Japan. They were setting up shells to obtain residency. Much of the abuse was by Chinese nationals, which was for obvious reasons especially disturbing to Japanese given the history between the two countries. Japan isn't the only country in Asia that has been forced to revisit its visa policies due to Chinese abuse. For example, the Philippines has made changes and added oversight to its SRRV retirement visa program because of abuse by Chinese nationals, most of whom were younger males coming as "retirees" but working and running local businesses illegally. So yes, immigration is a sensitive, complicated subject in Japan but you're reading way too much into the changes to the business manager visa.
- neverbehind 4mo ago
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mmooss 4mo ago

> a house next to immigrants This assumes there is something wrong with immigrants. I've lived next to many immigrants. Almost everyone in the US is an immigrant or decended from them. The problem is the hateful - they destroy the society and neighborhood. > lower quality Humans are not lower or higher quality - except arguably those acting on hate, who damage the social contract of liberty.

aurareturn 4mo ago
I'm explaining why Japan is doing this. A lot of people don't understand why Japan would do this when their population is already declining. It's because to the working class, a declining population isn't the most pressing issue. In fact, some of them may even want that because it means more resources to everyone else. Mass importing immigrants causes many issues for locals. Anyone who denies this is simply virtue signaling. To businesses and governments, a declining population means lower market size and lower tax income. They're incentivized to want a larger population - sometimes by any means necessary. And no, you can't mass import high quality immigrants because high quality immigrants have options and generally don't want to move to a country that isn't their culture or speak their own language. You will always end up with lower quality immigrants from the 3rd world.
- mmooss 4mo ago
  > Anyone who denies this is simply virtue signaling. Dismissing other opinions in words but not arguments is vacuous. Fabricating and attacking their motives is more evidence (not fabrication) that the argument is nothing but bias plastered over with empty words. So is the parroting of the talking points of some social tide. > quality Human beings are not low quality or high quality - and especially not based on your preference or personal benefit - and economics and history clearly show the benefit of more people with freedom and opportunity, including to the people gaining freedom and opportunity. They are as important as, and have as much 'quality' as you - otherwise, you are not important either.
  - aurareturn 4mo ago
    Dismissing other opinions in words but not arguments is vacuous. Meanwhile, you dismissed the will of Japanese people as "hateful" for not wanting more immigrants.
    - mmooss 4mo ago
      More of the standard rhetoric. It's like an algorithm generating these comments or an LLM. It just responds with copypasta without even knowing what I said.
- ElProlactin 4mo ago
  I'm sorry but you're spewing a lot of misinformation here. Japan's relationship with immigration is complex but what you're talking about really has nothing to do with the business manager visa. Japan continues to "import" larger and larger numbers of foreign workers to do jobs that it doesn't have enough native-born workers to perform. Think factory workers, nurses, truck drivers, retail. The problem with the business manager visa was that it was being abused by people who weren't actually running real businesses in Japan. They were setting up shells to obtain residency. Much of the abuse was by Chinese nationals, which was for obvious reasons especially disturbing to Japanese given the history between the two countries. Japan isn't the only country in Asia that has been forced to revisit its visa policies due to Chinese abuse. For example, the Philippines has made changes and added oversight to its SRRV retirement visa program because of abuse by Chinese nationals, most of whom were younger males coming as "retirees" but working and running local businesses illegally. So yes, immigration is a sensitive, complicated subject in Japan but you're reading way too much into the changes to the business manager visa.
neverbehind 4mo ago
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