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Yes, no doubt there is an obvious first-order reason for this. It's the second order effects that I think folks are rightly worried about, but it's easy to stee

by piker 4mo ago

Yes, no doubt there is an obvious first-order reason for this. It's the second order effects that I think folks are rightly worried about, but it's easy to steel man.

Gigachad 4mo ago
Australian here, the under 16 ban was put in place early this year and I haven't ID verified for anything.
- piker 4mo ago
  I'm not sure that will bring a lot of relief to the concerned side as it implies you are being fingerprinted by all the websites that are subject to this verification rule.
  - dijksterhuis 4mo ago
    were you under some sort of impression that ad-tech surveillance platforms (“social media”) weren’t already fingerprinting the majority of their users? like, the facebook pixel used to track you across the entire internet (or damn near close enough to it). and that was 10-ish years ago. they’ve been doing this for a while now.
  - Gigachad 4mo ago
    Of course, the social media sites were already fingerprinting you and guessing your age, gender, interests, etc for advertising.
    - spwa4 4mo ago
      So that's considered acceptable? Seriously? I mean the government can't seriously argue that Facebook or Twitter aren't going to be deceptive about this?
- tsukikage 4mo ago
  …so, have kids actually stopped watching Youtube?
  - Gigachad 4mo ago
    Watching youtube wasn't banned. They just got banned from having an account and participating in the social features of youtube. As for how effective the ban was on getting kids off social media in general, I think it's a long process that doesn't entirely sit on this change. Banning phones in schools has been a much faster more radical improvement. It's going to take a lot more work to defeat the tech giants but I'm glad we are trying.
    - tsukikage 4mo ago
      ...ah. So, kids can doomscroll youtube shorts all they want, but they can't use a premium account that lets them avoid adverts. Does that... help?
SiempreViernes 4mo ago
That is not an accurate description of the idea expressed in the post I replied to, you might want to start a separate thread to discuss potential second order effects.

by piker 4mo ago

Yes, no doubt there is an obvious first-order reason for this. It's the second order effects that I think folks are rightly worried about, but it's easy to steel man.

Gigachad 4mo ago

Australian here, the under 16 ban was put in place early this year and I haven't ID verified for anything.

piker 4mo ago
I'm not sure that will bring a lot of relief to the concerned side as it implies you are being fingerprinted by all the websites that are subject to this verification rule.
- dijksterhuis 4mo ago
  were you under some sort of impression that ad-tech surveillance platforms (“social media”) weren’t already fingerprinting the majority of their users? like, the facebook pixel used to track you across the entire internet (or damn near close enough to it). and that was 10-ish years ago. they’ve been doing this for a while now.
- Gigachad 4mo ago
  Of course, the social media sites were already fingerprinting you and guessing your age, gender, interests, etc for advertising.
  - spwa4 4mo ago
    So that's considered acceptable? Seriously? I mean the government can't seriously argue that Facebook or Twitter aren't going to be deceptive about this?
tsukikage 4mo ago
…so, have kids actually stopped watching Youtube?
- Gigachad 4mo ago
  Watching youtube wasn't banned. They just got banned from having an account and participating in the social features of youtube. As for how effective the ban was on getting kids off social media in general, I think it's a long process that doesn't entirely sit on this change. Banning phones in schools has been a much faster more radical improvement. It's going to take a lot more work to defeat the tech giants but I'm glad we are trying.
  - tsukikage 4mo ago
    ...ah. So, kids can doomscroll youtube shorts all they want, but they can't use a premium account that lets them avoid adverts. Does that... help?

SiempreViernes 4mo ago

That is not an accurate description of the idea expressed in the post I replied to, you might want to start a separate thread to discuss potential second order effects.