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> These wars would only ever end if every force in the middle east that offers resistance to Israel's ambitions are defeated, but that resistance is both inevit

> These wars would only ever end if every force in the middle east that offers resistance to Israel's ambitions are defeated, but that resistance is both inevitable and offers the exact justification needed to implement said ambitions, its wonderfully circular. Obviously if there are terrorist attacks coming from a neighboring country then one would expect retaliation. You seem to be arguing terrorist attacks don't justify a response. > In Gaza they literally pulverized entire cities [1], making them uninhabitable That's not unexpected when there are military tunnels under the cities. How else could they be eliminated? > this isn't even really a war on terror by the western mainstream's standards The western war on terror also had plenty of casualties.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_terror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_terror

lyu07282 4mo ago
> That's not unexpected when there are military tunnels under the cities. How else could they be eliminated? Brilliant, any underground structure becomes a "terror tunnel", its wonderful you can level whole neighborhoods and afterwards claim it was justified because there were tunnels there. If that were true we would see gaps in the destruction in the satellite imagery wouldn't we? Or where they digging tunnels in grid patterns to every house in every neighborhood and under every street? What total moral bankruptcy to just blanked declare every civilian home and infrastructure as justifiable targets. Anyway if we want Israel talking points uncritically parroted we can just read literally any newspaper so spare us your breath.
- jameshilliard 4mo ago
  > Or where they digging tunnels in grid patterns to every house in every neighborhood and under every street? Tunnels were used by Hamas to move between buildings AFAIU, so large amounts of buildings would have tunnels under them, not to mention many buildings were booby trapped with explosives by Hamas so clearing the explosives often would result in the destruction of buildings as well. > What total moral bankruptcy to just blanked declare every civilian home and infrastructure as justifiable targets. If they get used for military purposes then they become military targets is my understanding of how the rules of war generally work.
benj111 4mo ago
You do realise that Gaza isn't a separate country? Not that it's the same country, as either option would require Israel to give it's citizens voting rights, or it's rights as an independent nation.
- jameshilliard 4mo ago
  > You do realise that Gaza isn't a separate country? I'm aware the status of Gaza is somewhat complicated. > Not that it's the same country Its status as a country at all is also not very clear due to only partial international recognition. > would require Israel to give it's citizens voting rights I don't think Israel is very likely to give citizenship to a group of people when the majority of those people don't think Israel should even exist. > it's rights as an independent nation They did try moving in that direction, with disengagement in Gaza, but it clearly didn't work out. I'm not really sure what the best approach to the problem is right now, but presumably de-radicalization of some form is going to be needed for the Palestinians due to UNRWA schools and others teaching children terrorist propaganda, and that's happening even in the more moderate PA controlled areas.

lyu07282 4mo ago

> That's not unexpected when there are military tunnels under the cities. How else could they be eliminated? Brilliant, any underground structure becomes a "terror tunnel", its wonderful you can level whole neighborhoods and afterwards claim it was justified because there were tunnels there. If that were true we would see gaps in the destruction in the satellite imagery wouldn't we? Or where they digging tunnels in grid patterns to every house in every neighborhood and under every street? What total moral bankruptcy to just blanked declare every civilian home and infrastructure as justifiable targets. Anyway if we want Israel talking points uncritically parroted we can just read literally any newspaper so spare us your breath.

jameshilliard 4mo ago
> Or where they digging tunnels in grid patterns to every house in every neighborhood and under every street? Tunnels were used by Hamas to move between buildings AFAIU, so large amounts of buildings would have tunnels under them, not to mention many buildings were booby trapped with explosives by Hamas so clearing the explosives often would result in the destruction of buildings as well. > What total moral bankruptcy to just blanked declare every civilian home and infrastructure as justifiable targets. If they get used for military purposes then they become military targets is my understanding of how the rules of war generally work.

benj111 4mo ago

You do realise that Gaza isn't a separate country? Not that it's the same country, as either option would require Israel to give it's citizens voting rights, or it's rights as an independent nation.

jameshilliard 4mo ago
> You do realise that Gaza isn't a separate country? I'm aware the status of Gaza is somewhat complicated. > Not that it's the same country Its status as a country at all is also not very clear due to only partial international recognition. > would require Israel to give it's citizens voting rights I don't think Israel is very likely to give citizenship to a group of people when the majority of those people don't think Israel should even exist. > it's rights as an independent nation They did try moving in that direction, with disengagement in Gaza, but it clearly didn't work out. I'm not really sure what the best approach to the problem is right now, but presumably de-radicalization of some form is going to be needed for the Palestinians due to UNRWA schools and others teaching children terrorist propaganda, and that's happening even in the more moderate PA controlled areas.