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From Al Jazeera: >According to remarks carried by the Tasnim news agency, Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi said negotiations for a final deal

From Al Jazeera: >According to remarks carried by the Tasnim news agency, Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi said negotiations for a final deal will be held during a 60-day period, after verifying that the US implemented its commitments under the deal, including ending hostilities, lifting the blockade, and releasing frozen assets. So, it's an even worse position for the US than before launching the war.

theturtletalks 4mo ago
Didn’t Iran consider their previous US negotiations a sham? Why would they believe them this time? Feels like the US wants to approach them with these deals, reneg, and once Iran is like we don’t want anymore deals, then the US can point to them and be like, see they don’t want peace.
- recroad 4mo ago
  Iran was fully abiding by the JCPOA (Obama Iran deal) until Trump pulled out in his first term. Trump hates Obama so that was entirely out of spite. What is surprising is how co-opted the Biden admin was by Israel, that they didn't even bother to even consider reentering it despite it being a Democratic party "win" when it was first announced.
  - mupuff1234 4mo ago
    Except Biden did try to restart the talks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_relations_during_the_Biden_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_rel...
    - alphabeta3r56 4mo ago
      Why would Iran take that at that point? There's no trust.
      - mupuff1234 4mo ago
        I didn't say they would, just refuting the claim that: > What is surprising is how co-opted the Biden admin was by Israel, that they didn't even bother to even consider reentering it
    - recroad 4mo ago
      No, they tried to negotiate a new deal, not go back to the one they had agreed to. Why would Iran trust any new negotiations? Iran was naive enough to trust the US twice in the last year and HAD THEIR NEGOTIATING TEAM BOMBED! I'm shocked they even trust the US to hold up to the deal they signed today. I'm guessing US concessions on frozen assets was just too much to pass up.
- alphabeta3r56 4mo ago
  They were working for that agreement. trump canceled it, not they.
- ndiddy 4mo ago
  For one thing, the US has agreed to give Iran $12 billion of their frozen assets before negotiations start, and another $12 billion during the 60 day negotiation period. When you repeatedly bomb the other side while prior negotiations were ongoing, before having to conclude that a negotiated settlement is the only way out of this, you have to make big concessions to even get the other side to the negotiating table.
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bhouston 4mo ago
> So, it's an even worse position for the US than before launching the war. True but continuing the war is worse for Trump. There was no real way to win.
- compass_copium 4mo ago
  Yes, the war was an obvious strategic blunder and (more importantly) an immoral and unjust invasion that should never have happened.
- AnimalMuppet 4mo ago
  Not to play?
  - bhouston 4mo ago
    Yup. Netanyahu tried to get most presidents in the last set to attack Iran and they were smart enough not to.

theturtletalks 4mo ago

Didn’t Iran consider their previous US negotiations a sham? Why would they believe them this time? Feels like the US wants to approach them with these deals, reneg, and once Iran is like we don’t want anymore deals, then the US can point to them and be like, see they don’t want peace.

recroad 4mo ago
Iran was fully abiding by the JCPOA (Obama Iran deal) until Trump pulled out in his first term. Trump hates Obama so that was entirely out of spite. What is surprising is how co-opted the Biden admin was by Israel, that they didn't even bother to even consider reentering it despite it being a Democratic party "win" when it was first announced.
- mupuff1234 4mo ago
  Except Biden did try to restart the talks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_relations_during_the_Biden_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_rel...
  - alphabeta3r56 4mo ago
    Why would Iran take that at that point? There's no trust.
    - mupuff1234 4mo ago
      I didn't say they would, just refuting the claim that: > What is surprising is how co-opted the Biden admin was by Israel, that they didn't even bother to even consider reentering it
  - recroad 4mo ago
    No, they tried to negotiate a new deal, not go back to the one they had agreed to. Why would Iran trust any new negotiations? Iran was naive enough to trust the US twice in the last year and HAD THEIR NEGOTIATING TEAM BOMBED! I'm shocked they even trust the US to hold up to the deal they signed today. I'm guessing US concessions on frozen assets was just too much to pass up.
alphabeta3r56 4mo ago
They were working for that agreement. trump canceled it, not they.
ndiddy 4mo ago
For one thing, the US has agreed to give Iran $12 billion of their frozen assets before negotiations start, and another $12 billion during the 60 day negotiation period. When you repeatedly bomb the other side while prior negotiations were ongoing, before having to conclude that a negotiated settlement is the only way out of this, you have to make big concessions to even get the other side to the negotiating table.

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bhouston 4mo ago

> So, it's an even worse position for the US than before launching the war. True but continuing the war is worse for Trump. There was no real way to win.

compass_copium 4mo ago
Yes, the war was an obvious strategic blunder and (more importantly) an immoral and unjust invasion that should never have happened.
AnimalMuppet 4mo ago
Not to play?
- bhouston 4mo ago
  Yup. Netanyahu tried to get most presidents in the last set to attack Iran and they were smart enough not to.