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they also force you to give a recovery account. i’m thinking microsoft’s hands are tied in this matter, it might be the government forcing a kyc strategy

xg15 4mo ago
"KYC" simply for operating your own PC?
- lenerdenator 4mo ago
  Of course. How else are they to know that you posted criticism of the President on the internet?
  - DaSHacka 4mo ago
    So far there haven't been any instances of that, from what I'm aware of. A particular foreign nation, on the other hand...
    - lenerdenator 4mo ago
      That's the goal, though. The current batch of elite have come up in a place where they have no real incentive to act in any way except that of their choosing. They're also exceedingly thin-skinned. If they think they can get away with ruining people who criticize them online, they'll do so.
Telemakhos 4mo ago
Apple doesn't force you to create an AppleID unless you want to use Music and the App Store. You can still run macOS as a standalone local user. So, it's not government-forced KYC.
- opan 4mo ago
  I believe on my Mac (non-primary machine, FWIW) I ended up signing into an Apple account, and I doubt I did that for no reason. I don't rely on iCloud or spend money on apps. Is it required to get Xcode, which is required for some things from homebrew to work? You did mention the App Store, which maybe applies here. Is the App Store the only way to get Xcode?
  - mjevans 4mo ago
    Yes, it's that. Xcode is the only reason I've ever touched an Apple account.
notavalleyman 4mo ago
Which government? And what's your evidence
- tupac_speedrap 4mo ago
  It's an open secret that Windows is backdoored for the NSA to be fair and that isn't even including the truly dodgy stuff like Intel Management Engine being a backdoor on a BIOS level with remote access
  - DaSHacka 4mo ago
    Do you have a source for literally any of those allegations? I'm as big of a Windows and ME hater as they come, but I'm not aware of any proven backdoors in either. Especially ME, which has been thoroughly reverse-engineered by the security community by this point. The only 'backdoor' discovered was the undocumented killswitch command that disables it after initialization.
    - fsflover 4mo ago
      Not the parent, but have you heard of Snowden leaks? Also this from the old times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY
      - 0x1d7 4mo ago
        Snowden says nothing about backdoor'ed Windows. And _NSAKEY... There is no evidence that it was ever part of a backdoor. But it is good for a laugh.
        fsflover 4mo ago
        It's safe to assume that Windows is backdoored, as it's closed, not audiatable and is a part of PRISM. It's not a proof, but this is how good opsec works. And yes, this is not equivalent to what the parent said, but your reaction should be similar.

xg15 4mo ago

"KYC" simply for operating your own PC?

lenerdenator 4mo ago
Of course. How else are they to know that you posted criticism of the President on the internet?
- DaSHacka 4mo ago
  So far there haven't been any instances of that, from what I'm aware of. A particular foreign nation, on the other hand...
  - lenerdenator 4mo ago
    That's the goal, though. The current batch of elite have come up in a place where they have no real incentive to act in any way except that of their choosing. They're also exceedingly thin-skinned. If they think they can get away with ruining people who criticize them online, they'll do so.

Telemakhos 4mo ago

Apple doesn't force you to create an AppleID unless you want to use Music and the App Store. You can still run macOS as a standalone local user. So, it's not government-forced KYC.

opan 4mo ago
I believe on my Mac (non-primary machine, FWIW) I ended up signing into an Apple account, and I doubt I did that for no reason. I don't rely on iCloud or spend money on apps. Is it required to get Xcode, which is required for some things from homebrew to work? You did mention the App Store, which maybe applies here. Is the App Store the only way to get Xcode?
- mjevans 4mo ago
  Yes, it's that. Xcode is the only reason I've ever touched an Apple account.

notavalleyman 4mo ago

Which government? And what's your evidence

tupac_speedrap 4mo ago
It's an open secret that Windows is backdoored for the NSA to be fair and that isn't even including the truly dodgy stuff like Intel Management Engine being a backdoor on a BIOS level with remote access
- DaSHacka 4mo ago
  Do you have a source for literally any of those allegations? I'm as big of a Windows and ME hater as they come, but I'm not aware of any proven backdoors in either. Especially ME, which has been thoroughly reverse-engineered by the security community by this point. The only 'backdoor' discovered was the undocumented killswitch command that disables it after initialization.
  - fsflover 4mo ago
    Not the parent, but have you heard of Snowden leaks? Also this from the old times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY
    - 0x1d7 4mo ago
      Snowden says nothing about backdoor'ed Windows. And _NSAKEY... There is no evidence that it was ever part of a backdoor. But it is good for a laugh.
      - fsflover 4mo ago
        It's safe to assume that Windows is backdoored, as it's closed, not audiatable and is a part of PRISM. It's not a proof, but this is how good opsec works. And yes, this is not equivalent to what the parent said, but your reaction should be similar.