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It's not enough to build a data center these days. Or even run the government for a day these days it seems. Or are you saying salaries need to come down?

ceejayoz 4mo ago
The amount it costs to build a datacenter or run the government for a day is an unimaginable level of personal wealth to virtually every person on the planet.
- hparadiz 4mo ago
  My own wealth now would be unimaginable to myself when I lived in the USSR. Maybe don't look at the bottom for what should be. There's never any imagination there. I know better than most.
  - ceejayoz 4mo ago
    > Maybe don't look at the bottom for what should be. The people at the top should look at the bottom for what should not be. > My own wealth now would be unimaginable to myself when I lived in the USSR. Good! But apparently $100M isn't enough?
    - hparadiz 4mo ago
      Enough is not for you to define. Or anyone. Please internalize that. It's part of something called freedom.
      - ceejayoz 4mo ago
        > Enough is not for you to define. Or anyone. You might look at history for how the "let them eat cake" approach goes. > It's part of something called freedom. Freedom is more complicated than you make it out to be. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty One of the early things toddlers have to learn, in fact, is that their personal freedoms may be in conflict from the very legitimate freedoms of others.
        hparadiz 4mo ago
        The average person in my area makes like 250-350k between two professionals being a couple. They will have 25 peak earning years where they earn like 240k after taxes but only spend 100k so that extra 140k goes into IRA/401k, and other investments, plus discretionary spend. They have 1 million in those accounts within 10 years and 3 million by the time they are in their 50s. That 40k per year you keep citing at that point is less than 2%. None of these people will vote for higher taxes and they keep winning elections. This isn't France and you're not gonna do shit.
        ceejayoz 4mo ago
        > The average person in my area makes like 250-350k between two professionals being a couple. Even in SF that's about double reality. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanfranciscocitycalifornia/PST045224 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanfranciscocit... > They will have 25 peak earning years where they earn like 240k after taxes but only spend 100k so that extra 140k goes into IRA/401k, and other investments, plus discretionary spend. Talking about an extra $140k a year for decades straight to put into savings as if it's the American norm illustrates just how deeply out of touch you are here. https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2025/demo/p60-286.html https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2025/demo/p60-28... "Median household income was $83,730 in 2024" > This isn't France and you're not gonna do shit. Yeah, Louis XVI thought the same.
        hparadiz 4mo ago
        You don't understand how incomes and the census data even works. When you set aside 401k and IRA money it doesn't show up as income. It actually lowers your taxable income for that year so instead of seeing 180k earned you might instead have 150k earned. It's what the IRS calls "tax deferred" which means the money is sitting in an account you own and contributes to your net worth but it's pre-income-tax money. That means someone who has 3 million in an IRA will only show "income" on money they take out of the tax deferred account which may only be 50k in a fiscal year. Income basically tells you nothing and it's a dumb statistic to cite.

ceejayoz 4mo ago

The amount it costs to build a datacenter or run the government for a day is an unimaginable level of personal wealth to virtually every person on the planet.

hparadiz 4mo ago
My own wealth now would be unimaginable to myself when I lived in the USSR. Maybe don't look at the bottom for what should be. There's never any imagination there. I know better than most.
- ceejayoz 4mo ago
  > Maybe don't look at the bottom for what should be. The people at the top should look at the bottom for what should not be. > My own wealth now would be unimaginable to myself when I lived in the USSR. Good! But apparently $100M isn't enough?
  - hparadiz 4mo ago
    Enough is not for you to define. Or anyone. Please internalize that. It's part of something called freedom.
    - ceejayoz 4mo ago
      > Enough is not for you to define. Or anyone. You might look at history for how the "let them eat cake" approach goes. > It's part of something called freedom. Freedom is more complicated than you make it out to be. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty One of the early things toddlers have to learn, in fact, is that their personal freedoms may be in conflict from the very legitimate freedoms of others.
      - hparadiz 4mo ago
        The average person in my area makes like 250-350k between two professionals being a couple. They will have 25 peak earning years where they earn like 240k after taxes but only spend 100k so that extra 140k goes into IRA/401k, and other investments, plus discretionary spend. They have 1 million in those accounts within 10 years and 3 million by the time they are in their 50s. That 40k per year you keep citing at that point is less than 2%. None of these people will vote for higher taxes and they keep winning elections. This isn't France and you're not gonna do shit.
        ceejayoz 4mo ago
        > The average person in my area makes like 250-350k between two professionals being a couple. Even in SF that's about double reality. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanfranciscocitycalifornia/PST045224 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanfranciscocit... > They will have 25 peak earning years where they earn like 240k after taxes but only spend 100k so that extra 140k goes into IRA/401k, and other investments, plus discretionary spend. Talking about an extra $140k a year for decades straight to put into savings as if it's the American norm illustrates just how deeply out of touch you are here. https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2025/demo/p60-286.html https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2025/demo/p60-28... "Median household income was $83,730 in 2024" > This isn't France and you're not gonna do shit. Yeah, Louis XVI thought the same.
        hparadiz 4mo ago
        You don't understand how incomes and the census data even works. When you set aside 401k and IRA money it doesn't show up as income. It actually lowers your taxable income for that year so instead of seeing 180k earned you might instead have 150k earned. It's what the IRS calls "tax deferred" which means the money is sitting in an account you own and contributes to your net worth but it's pre-income-tax money. That means someone who has 3 million in an IRA will only show "income" on money they take out of the tax deferred account which may only be 50k in a fiscal year. Income basically tells you nothing and it's a dumb statistic to cite.