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The environmental movements of the past 60 years have been extremely successful, certainly in the U.S. The ozone hole problem has been essentially solved, acid

The environmental movements of the past 60 years have been extremely successful, certainly in the U.S. The ozone hole problem has been essentially solved, acid rain has been essentially solved, mass scale water pollution like rivers catching on fire has been essentially solved, massive smog has been essentially solved.

dualvariable 4mo ago
And the people involved in climate policy have solutions to climate change which don't involve enormously large restrictions on consumption, but just require more energy efficiency (which is savings) and investment into carbon-neutral energy. And they've had those solutions for at least the past 20 years. This isn't an insolvable problem, but the carbon-based energy sector will be big losers, and they're fighting tooth and nail against it. An awful lot of our politics and geopolitics right now is symptomatic of the carbon energy sector fighting against the reality that it needs to die for the good of the human race, but it is also extraordinarily powerful.
- mastermage 4mo ago
  this exactly this. They are trying to keep their money sources alive even if it costs the entire world. Which is Supervillain amount of selfish.
graemep 4mo ago
> The ozone hole problem has been essentially solved, acid rain has been essentially solved, mass scale water pollution like rivers catching on fire All far less expensive to fix. Never actually heard of rivers catching fire? Has acid rain been solved globally? The ozone hole problem we got lucky on. It required global action but a lot of things lined up. Things like the British prime minster at the time being a former research chemist and therefore understanding the issue, and being successful at influencing both the US President at the time and European countries.
- rsynnott 4mo ago
  > Never actually heard of rivers catching fire? This is the most famous example, though there have been a few of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River > Has acid rain been solved globally? Not entirely, but largely.
  - graemep 4mo ago
    On the rivers catching fire. Wow! I think I may have heard of it as a freak event (e.g. an oil spill) but the same the same river catching fire 14 times is not something i realised happened.
    - cameldrv 4mo ago
      The general environment in the 60s and 70s was extremely dirty. Every once in a while when I’m out with my kids, a classic car will roll by and I’ll admire it, but then my kids will hold their noses at the awful exhaust smell. That used to be every car. It used to be that almost every river was unsafe to swim in. It’s possible to fix environmental problems. It just requires the will.

dualvariable 4mo ago

And the people involved in climate policy have solutions to climate change which don't involve enormously large restrictions on consumption, but just require more energy efficiency (which is savings) and investment into carbon-neutral energy. And they've had those solutions for at least the past 20 years. This isn't an insolvable problem, but the carbon-based energy sector will be big losers, and they're fighting tooth and nail against it. An awful lot of our politics and geopolitics right now is symptomatic of the carbon energy sector fighting against the reality that it needs to die for the good of the human race, but it is also extraordinarily powerful.

mastermage 4mo ago
this exactly this. They are trying to keep their money sources alive even if it costs the entire world. Which is Supervillain amount of selfish.

graemep 4mo ago

> The ozone hole problem has been essentially solved, acid rain has been essentially solved, mass scale water pollution like rivers catching on fire All far less expensive to fix. Never actually heard of rivers catching fire? Has acid rain been solved globally? The ozone hole problem we got lucky on. It required global action but a lot of things lined up. Things like the British prime minster at the time being a former research chemist and therefore understanding the issue, and being successful at influencing both the US President at the time and European countries.

rsynnott 4mo ago
> Never actually heard of rivers catching fire? This is the most famous example, though there have been a few of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River > Has acid rain been solved globally? Not entirely, but largely.
- graemep 4mo ago
  On the rivers catching fire. Wow! I think I may have heard of it as a freak event (e.g. an oil spill) but the same the same river catching fire 14 times is not something i realised happened.
  - cameldrv 4mo ago
    The general environment in the 60s and 70s was extremely dirty. Every once in a while when I’m out with my kids, a classic car will roll by and I’ll admire it, but then my kids will hold their noses at the awful exhaust smell. That used to be every car. It used to be that almost every river was unsafe to swim in. It’s possible to fix environmental problems. It just requires the will.