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> Amazon can now deliver me stuff the same day of the next morning. That’s amazing, considering that it’s all done with trucks, warehouses, and other things tha

> Amazon can now deliver me stuff the same day of the next morning. That’s amazing, considering that it’s all done with trucks, warehouses, and other things that already existed in the 1990s. Whoever made that happen when USPS couldn’t do it deserves to be a billionaire. It's also impossible without Amazon exploiting all the workers in the chain - from warehouse workers forced to undergo dehumanizing _unpaid_ searches that take hours when leaving the warehouse, to being forced to pee in bottles. It is impossible to become a billionaire without exploting people.

rayiner 4mo ago
> It is impossible to become a billionaire without exploting people. Explain this to me using math not feelings.
- TimorousBestie 4mo ago
  At 5% APR compounded daily and zero inflation, a person would need to invest $300,000 weekly to attain 1 billion dollars after 80 years. Fiddle with the numbers as you like. Do enlighten us as to what actual labor creates $300,000 in real value every week, week after week.
  - rayiner 4mo ago
    Tim Cook’s labor optimizing Apple’s supply chain easily crates billions in value.
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    - nullocator 4mo ago
      Excellent way to put this, by moving and accelerating Apple's outsourcing of manufacturing and production to countries with more exploitable labor and cheaper corruption to advantage himself with, Tim Cook not only exploited people in multiple countries around the world but helped hollow out American manufacturing and suppress wages! Through this exploitation he created billions in value for himself and other capital holders.
- keeda 4mo ago
  Here's a useful, easy-to-understand number: "Exactly zero" That is the answer to the question: "How many of the top 50 billionaires in the world have NOT been in legal trouble for anti-worker, anti-consumer or anti-competitive practices." Try it yourself! If you ask it to, Google AI Overview will even detail the infractions of each billionaire on the list.
  - rayiner 4mo ago
    The fact that lawsuits exists doesn’t prove that unfair practices account for any particular share of the wealth. You can’t just wave your hands like Glenn Beck and say “connect the dots.”
    - keeda 4mo ago
      Saying "lawsuits exist" obscures the fact that they have almost all resulted in convictions and penalties per billionaire. The fact remains that every single of the top billionaires has been convicted for patterns of exploitation. Are we to reasonably expect that all of these were random, uncorrelated one-off occurrences rather than a pattern of behavior? And that still underplays their overall scope of culpability. As a lawyer, you are probably best positioned to appreciate how asymmetrically difficult it is for anyone but the most well-funded to realistically take these giant companies to court.
      - rayiner 4mo ago
        > Saying "lawsuits exist" obscures the fact that they have almost all resulted in convictions and penalties per billionaire. You need to quantify it for these lawsuits to support your point. The fact that these companies sometimes color outside the lines doesn’t negate the enormous value they create otherwise. You know who else has lost tons of lawsuits and paid a huge amount in penalties? The federal government. 40,000 lawsuits are filed agains the federal government annually. The government pays out billions of dollars a year for various wrongdoing: https://settlementinsight.com/research/federal-government-payments https://settlementinsight.com/research/federal-government-pa.... By your logic, we can assume that the existence of these lawsuits and payments means that the entire value of the government can be attributed to exploitation.
imgabe 4mo ago
Someone working a job they freely chose is not being exploited. This word is losing all meaning. Amazon pays more with better benefits than most other warehouse jobs.
- canelonesdeverd 4mo ago
  If someone could pick and choose jobs they wouldn't be a warehouse worker, come on now.
  - imgabe 4mo ago
    Sure if people could just pick whatever they want we'd all be sitting on the beach having drinks with supermodels, but then who's going to make the drinks? People can pick among various jobs. If they picked warehouse worker that was the best option available to them. Taking it away means they have to choose something worse. And a job is not a lifetime commitment. Warehouse worker may be a stop on the way to something else. I worked in a warehouse for a while, now I don't. People are not static blobs.
    - paulryanrogers 4mo ago
      Maybe it's Amazon's predatory pricing and regulatory capture that drove most other nicer job opportunities out of business. I used to work retail selling software and games as a teen. It was a nice starter job talking about the things I liked most. There were 7 places I could do that back in the day. Now the kids have only 3 such options in my area. Many areas now have none.
      - imgabe 4mo ago
        Now the kids can learn to code online or post videos on YouTube or do a hundred other things we couldn’t do. The world moves on.
        paulryanrogers 4mo ago
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rayiner 4mo ago

> It is impossible to become a billionaire without exploting people. Explain this to me using math not feelings.

TimorousBestie 4mo ago
At 5% APR compounded daily and zero inflation, a person would need to invest $300,000 weekly to attain 1 billion dollars after 80 years. Fiddle with the numbers as you like. Do enlighten us as to what actual labor creates $300,000 in real value every week, week after week.
- rayiner 4mo ago
  Tim Cook’s labor optimizing Apple’s supply chain easily crates billions in value.
  - deleted 4mo ago
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  - nullocator 4mo ago
    Excellent way to put this, by moving and accelerating Apple's outsourcing of manufacturing and production to countries with more exploitable labor and cheaper corruption to advantage himself with, Tim Cook not only exploited people in multiple countries around the world but helped hollow out American manufacturing and suppress wages! Through this exploitation he created billions in value for himself and other capital holders.
keeda 4mo ago
Here's a useful, easy-to-understand number: "Exactly zero" That is the answer to the question: "How many of the top 50 billionaires in the world have NOT been in legal trouble for anti-worker, anti-consumer or anti-competitive practices." Try it yourself! If you ask it to, Google AI Overview will even detail the infractions of each billionaire on the list.
- rayiner 4mo ago
  The fact that lawsuits exists doesn’t prove that unfair practices account for any particular share of the wealth. You can’t just wave your hands like Glenn Beck and say “connect the dots.”
  - keeda 4mo ago
    Saying "lawsuits exist" obscures the fact that they have almost all resulted in convictions and penalties per billionaire. The fact remains that every single of the top billionaires has been convicted for patterns of exploitation. Are we to reasonably expect that all of these were random, uncorrelated one-off occurrences rather than a pattern of behavior? And that still underplays their overall scope of culpability. As a lawyer, you are probably best positioned to appreciate how asymmetrically difficult it is for anyone but the most well-funded to realistically take these giant companies to court.
    - rayiner 4mo ago
      > Saying "lawsuits exist" obscures the fact that they have almost all resulted in convictions and penalties per billionaire. You need to quantify it for these lawsuits to support your point. The fact that these companies sometimes color outside the lines doesn’t negate the enormous value they create otherwise. You know who else has lost tons of lawsuits and paid a huge amount in penalties? The federal government. 40,000 lawsuits are filed agains the federal government annually. The government pays out billions of dollars a year for various wrongdoing: https://settlementinsight.com/research/federal-government-payments https://settlementinsight.com/research/federal-government-pa.... By your logic, we can assume that the existence of these lawsuits and payments means that the entire value of the government can be attributed to exploitation.

imgabe 4mo ago

Someone working a job they freely chose is not being exploited. This word is losing all meaning. Amazon pays more with better benefits than most other warehouse jobs.

canelonesdeverd 4mo ago
If someone could pick and choose jobs they wouldn't be a warehouse worker, come on now.
- imgabe 4mo ago
  Sure if people could just pick whatever they want we'd all be sitting on the beach having drinks with supermodels, but then who's going to make the drinks? People can pick among various jobs. If they picked warehouse worker that was the best option available to them. Taking it away means they have to choose something worse. And a job is not a lifetime commitment. Warehouse worker may be a stop on the way to something else. I worked in a warehouse for a while, now I don't. People are not static blobs.
  - paulryanrogers 4mo ago
    Maybe it's Amazon's predatory pricing and regulatory capture that drove most other nicer job opportunities out of business. I used to work retail selling software and games as a teen. It was a nice starter job talking about the things I liked most. There were 7 places I could do that back in the day. Now the kids have only 3 such options in my area. Many areas now have none.
    - imgabe 4mo ago
      Now the kids can learn to code online or post videos on YouTube or do a hundred other things we couldn’t do. The world moves on.
      - paulryanrogers 4mo ago

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