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Western nations reducing will DO nothing - it is too small a fraction of greenhouse emissions. The large fraction is coming form india and china. And they do no

Western nations reducing will DO nothing - it is too small a fraction of greenhouse emissions. The large fraction is coming form india and china. And they do not have electric everything. they don't even have running water in most places.

rwyinuse 4mo ago
Your view is outdated. China is building renewable power generation at an extremely high rate, and also exporting cheap solar panels worldwide. China has a higher share of electric vehicles in cities than most of Europe and America does. It appears their emissions are now starting to go down as a result, although the economy keeps growing. India still has a long way to go, but China is doing the right things. Same can't be said about USA under current administration.
- budsniffer952 4mo ago
  >Same can't be said about USA under current administration. The reason half the population won't take climate alarmists seriously are statements like this. Saying the West, generally, or the US, specifically "aren't doing anything" is ridiculous. https://ourworldindata.org/profile/co2/united-states https://ourworldindata.org/profile/co2/united-states
  - brewdad 4mo ago
    That chart conveniently ends at the end of the Biden Administration.
    - budsniffer952 4mo ago
      Yes. It "conveniently" stops after showing 50 years of declining per captita carbon footprint. The last 4 years are what matter. Classic hacker News take. This is why you will continue to lose.
- contingencies 4mo ago
  China's solar industry has some growth pangs right now but will recover: https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/chinas-solar-giants-quietly-shed-third-their-workforces-last-year-2025-08-01/ https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/chinas-solar-... (Aug 2025) + https://archive.is/6hCFU https://archive.is/6hCFU + (May) https://www.carbonbrief.org/chart-why-chinas-solar-boom-is-slowing-down/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/chart-why-chinas-solar-boom-is-s... (June) Most individual and collective consumption driving polluting production is overwhelmingly traditional western/first-world economies, though China is catching up.
lostlogin 4mo ago
> Western nations reducing will DO nothing That doesn’t fit my understanding at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhous... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhous...
triceratops 4mo ago
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co2-emissions-region https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co2-emissions-... Western developed countries have emitted 54% of all CO2 in history. India and China today emit more than Europe and North America combined. https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions China's solar panel and battery manufacturing industries are humanity's best chance of "electric everything". Without them we're all cooked.

rwyinuse 4mo ago

Your view is outdated. China is building renewable power generation at an extremely high rate, and also exporting cheap solar panels worldwide. China has a higher share of electric vehicles in cities than most of Europe and America does. It appears their emissions are now starting to go down as a result, although the economy keeps growing. India still has a long way to go, but China is doing the right things. Same can't be said about USA under current administration.

budsniffer952 4mo ago
>Same can't be said about USA under current administration. The reason half the population won't take climate alarmists seriously are statements like this. Saying the West, generally, or the US, specifically "aren't doing anything" is ridiculous. https://ourworldindata.org/profile/co2/united-states https://ourworldindata.org/profile/co2/united-states
- brewdad 4mo ago
  That chart conveniently ends at the end of the Biden Administration.
  - budsniffer952 4mo ago
    Yes. It "conveniently" stops after showing 50 years of declining per captita carbon footprint. The last 4 years are what matter. Classic hacker News take. This is why you will continue to lose.
contingencies 4mo ago
China's solar industry has some growth pangs right now but will recover: https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/chinas-solar-giants-quietly-shed-third-their-workforces-last-year-2025-08-01/ https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/chinas-solar-... (Aug 2025) + https://archive.is/6hCFU https://archive.is/6hCFU + (May) https://www.carbonbrief.org/chart-why-chinas-solar-boom-is-slowing-down/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/chart-why-chinas-solar-boom-is-s... (June) Most individual and collective consumption driving polluting production is overwhelmingly traditional western/first-world economies, though China is catching up.

lostlogin 4mo ago

> Western nations reducing will DO nothing That doesn’t fit my understanding at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhous... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhous...

triceratops 4mo ago

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co2-emissions-region https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co2-emissions-... Western developed countries have emitted 54% of all CO2 in history. India and China today emit more than Europe and North America combined. https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions China's solar panel and battery manufacturing industries are humanity's best chance of "electric everything". Without them we're all cooked.