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Do you agree that parents should be the one protecting their children from this 'propaganda' and internet slop? Whilst I agree that social media can be overwhe

Do you agree that parents should be the one protecting their children from this 'propaganda' and internet slop? Whilst I agree that social media can be overwhelmingly negative especially for young people, dont you recon that the risk to privacy and free-nature / increased surveillance of the internet is a greater problem?

tarkin2 4mo ago
Shouldn't parents be the ones to protect their children from the dangers of heroin, rather than an over-reaching state?
- dom96 4mo ago
  Funny example, because many argue that stopping the war on drugs would solve a lot of problems.
- thisislife2 4mo ago
  Do you really believe parents can realistically protect their wards from getting hooked to any harmful, addictive drugs? How will they ever know if their kids are experimenting with these drugs? The problem is that the drugs are addictive - all it it needs is for someone to try it a few times to get completely hooked to it. And you don't realise it until it is too late.
  - Rebelgecko 4mo ago
    IMO everything you said is equally applicable to social media (unless you have complete and total surveillance over your kids)
    - thisislife2 4mo ago
      I was explaining why stopping the circulation of harmful substances, like Heroin, do require government intervention and that parents alone cannot fight it. Your conflation that such drugs are equivalent to addictive social media is something I don't agree with - they are addictive but it's a different type of addiction and the harm is different too (more psychological than physical). That said, I will concede that I mostly agree that "age verification" isn't perhaps the best approach to fight it.
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alephnerd 4mo ago
Not OP but parental controls have existed for over a decade in these platforms with little to no uptake. Now that the UK has had 3 major riots in the past 24 months exacerbated by foreign social media bots, it is all the more critical to prevent children from falling into the trap. The time for the carrot is over. It's time for the stick. On a separate note, I find it funny that plenty of so called internet freedom supporters are using HN given that it's terms and conditions give YC full ownership of comments in perpetuity.
- eesmith 4mo ago
  "Parental controls? What parental controls?", a.k.a. "Parental controls are unusable… and it’s why Congress is stepping in." - https://web.archive.org/web/20231115165553/https://gabrielsieben.tech/2023/11/15/parental-controls-are-unusable-and-its-why-congress-is-stepping-in/ https://web.archive.org/web/20231115165553/https://gabrielsi... - 113 comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38314224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38314224 "Parental controls aren't for parents" - https://beasthacker.com/til/parental-controls-arent-for-parents.html https://beasthacker.com/til/parental-controls-arent-for-pare... - 456 comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46464652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46464652 "Apple’s Parental Controls Are Broken" - https://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-parental-controls-are-broken-55a2aa52 https://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-parental-controls-are-br... - 43 comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36921602 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36921602 "Apple parental controls have more holes than Swiss cheese" - https://xcancel.com/MichaelErmer_/status/2012515535326527740 https://xcancel.com/MichaelErmer_/status/2012515535326527740 - 3 comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46672071 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46672071 And as a bonus "Tell HN: Attackers using Google parental controls to prevent account recovery" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47056472 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47056472
- undersuit 4mo ago
  Apply the stick to the companies and people doing this, you don't think social media was critical in the UK riots? See how even adults are affected by the thing you're proposing controlling with age limits.
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halJordan 4mo ago
I think they should be "one of" not "the one." You know, it takes a village. And in any event, as others have said, parents have completely refused to participate in the question anyways, so in the real world your statement is not worth the paper it's written on.
mmarq 4mo ago
I’m a parent, children should be banned from social media and enforcement should include serious fines for parents who don’t monitor their children. After the first 2-3 fines, people will magically learn to use parental control and the idiocy of age verification will end.

tarkin2 4mo ago

Shouldn't parents be the ones to protect their children from the dangers of heroin, rather than an over-reaching state?

dom96 4mo ago
Funny example, because many argue that stopping the war on drugs would solve a lot of problems.
thisislife2 4mo ago
Do you really believe parents can realistically protect their wards from getting hooked to any harmful, addictive drugs? How will they ever know if their kids are experimenting with these drugs? The problem is that the drugs are addictive - all it it needs is for someone to try it a few times to get completely hooked to it. And you don't realise it until it is too late.
- Rebelgecko 4mo ago
  IMO everything you said is equally applicable to social media (unless you have complete and total surveillance over your kids)
  - thisislife2 4mo ago
    I was explaining why stopping the circulation of harmful substances, like Heroin, do require government intervention and that parents alone cannot fight it. Your conflation that such drugs are equivalent to addictive social media is something I don't agree with - they are addictive but it's a different type of addiction and the harm is different too (more psychological than physical). That said, I will concede that I mostly agree that "age verification" isn't perhaps the best approach to fight it.
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alephnerd 4mo ago

Not OP but parental controls have existed for over a decade in these platforms with little to no uptake. Now that the UK has had 3 major riots in the past 24 months exacerbated by foreign social media bots, it is all the more critical to prevent children from falling into the trap. The time for the carrot is over. It's time for the stick. On a separate note, I find it funny that plenty of so called internet freedom supporters are using HN given that it's terms and conditions give YC full ownership of comments in perpetuity.

eesmith 4mo ago
"Parental controls? What parental controls?", a.k.a. "Parental controls are unusable… and it’s why Congress is stepping in." - https://web.archive.org/web/20231115165553/https://gabrielsieben.tech/2023/11/15/parental-controls-are-unusable-and-its-why-congress-is-stepping-in/ https://web.archive.org/web/20231115165553/https://gabrielsi... - 113 comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38314224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38314224 "Parental controls aren't for parents" - https://beasthacker.com/til/parental-controls-arent-for-parents.html https://beasthacker.com/til/parental-controls-arent-for-pare... - 456 comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46464652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46464652 "Apple’s Parental Controls Are Broken" - https://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-parental-controls-are-broken-55a2aa52 https://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-parental-controls-are-br... - 43 comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36921602 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36921602 "Apple parental controls have more holes than Swiss cheese" - https://xcancel.com/MichaelErmer_/status/2012515535326527740 https://xcancel.com/MichaelErmer_/status/2012515535326527740 - 3 comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46672071 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46672071 And as a bonus "Tell HN: Attackers using Google parental controls to prevent account recovery" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47056472 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47056472
undersuit 4mo ago
Apply the stick to the companies and people doing this, you don't think social media was critical in the UK riots? See how even adults are affected by the thing you're proposing controlling with age limits.
4mo ago

halJordan 4mo ago

I think they should be "one of" not "the one." You know, it takes a village. And in any event, as others have said, parents have completely refused to participate in the question anyways, so in the real world your statement is not worth the paper it's written on.

mmarq 4mo ago

I’m a parent, children should be banned from social media and enforcement should include serious fines for parents who don’t monitor their children. After the first 2-3 fines, people will magically learn to use parental control and the idiocy of age verification will end.